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Old Aug 2nd, 2011, 12:14 PM   #31
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Apple is still the underdog; they only have 5% of the PC market, remember?

So all things being equal, which would you rather have: market share or profitability?
Not in the market they participate in the most and are most interested in, i.e. the high-end $1K+ club, where they have over 90% of market share...
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Does "The Computer for the rest of us" still apply? At one point I felt the connection with the "Here's to the Crazy Ones" and "Think Different" campaigns and I thought Apple and I were heading in the same direction. Or at least their advertising company knew how to manipulate me so that I liked it. And bought product. I've always used a desktop and always a Mac. The merits of mobile computing are obvious for many (well, okay the majority) but I prefer a big screen and mouse to do artwork. That's not where the big money is. Apple still makes money from my purchases but I'm not buying iPhones, iPads or a laptop in the foreseeable future and that is where their future money is coming from. Lion seems to be a logical step in the direction for the majority of their customers and future customers but now seems to be going in a different direction that me.
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Does "The Computer for the rest of us" still apply? At one point I felt the connection with the "Here's to the Crazy Ones" and "Think Different" campaigns and I thought Apple and I were heading in the same direction. Or at least their advertising company knew how to manipulate me so that I liked it. And bought product. I've always used a desktop and always a Mac. The merits of mobile computing are obvious for many (well, okay the majority) but I prefer a big screen and mouse to do artwork. That's not where the big money is. Apple still makes money from my purchases but I'm not buying iPhones, iPads or a laptop in the foreseeable future and that is where their future money is coming from. Lion seems to be a logical step in the direction for the majority of their customers and future customers but now seems to be going in a different direction that me.
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Yeah I am starting to feel that way my self these days...
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Who do we cheer for when the underdog is no longer an underdog?
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Not in the market they participate in the most and are most interested in, i.e. the high-end $1K+ club, where they have over 90% of market share...
it's funny how either position gets trotted out for convenience.

Either apple is the underdog, or they're the big dominant corporate behemoth no one will stop.



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Does "The Computer for the rest of us" still apply? At one point I felt the connection with the "Here's to the Crazy Ones" and "Think Different" campaigns and I thought Apple and I were heading in the same direction...
To be fair though, Chuckster, remember who some of the mascots for Think Different were? Albert Einstein, John Lennon, and Jim Henson. Not exactly obscure unknown individuals and all of them quite rich and famous within their lifetimes. If you don't think of the Beatles as the industry standard in music, you just haven't been paying attention. Being different does not mean being the underdog forever, and a large part of Apple's success has to do with taking very common concepts and devices and reimagining them, as they have done with computers, phones, and tablets now among others. Same as Einstein , Lennon, and Henson. There were lots of scientific theories, pop songs, and puppets around before these gentlemen arrived on the scene.
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But who do you think "The rest of us" is? We're all people that are fairly knowledgable about computers. We're certainly not "the rest of us." The "rest of us" are the people who don't know a thing about computers and don't want to learn. Are they having a hard time with Lion?

And remember, the people like us would have been the DOS or Apple II using folk who would have chastised Apple for "dumbing down" computers simply by making a GUI the standard way of using the Mac in the first place. We would have called the Mac a "toy" back in 1984.
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But who do you think "The rest of us" is? We're all people that are fairly knowledgable about computers. We're certainly not "the rest of us." The "rest of us" are the people who don't know a thing about computers and don't want to learn. Are they having a hard time with Lion?

And remember, the people like us would have been the DOS or Apple II using folk who would have chastised Apple for "dumbing down" computers simply by making a GUI the standard way of using the Mac in the first place. We would have called the Mac a "toy" back in 1984.
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