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Old Jul 31st, 2011, 10:39 PM   #11
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Man spoke to a few who upgraded to lion and hated it. Hmm. I had some high hopes for this one after I read about some of the new features.

Though, this not so in depth article highlights Microsoft has the same sort of roadmap.
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Old Aug 1st, 2011, 12:07 AM   #12
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First: Full disclosure, I am not running Lion, I haven’t even downloaded it yet ( estimated 8 hour download for me). My questions/comments are really related to how other users are rejecting/accepting the changes.

It appears to me that most of the upset relates to the UI, and I question whether or not this may be due to a lack of appreciation for the fact that many “Mac” users operate in a different style? - manner? than our strictly “mobile” cousins.
An iMac or a MacBook Pro, is not an iPad or iphone, and what may be pure genius on a small hand held screen, using sign language, is just not that great on a 27” monitor.
I think this is evident in the interest shown by the number of users that want to turn off/remove the new “features”.

Thank you to “mguertin” for reminding us of the new installation process - I’d given that short shrift, but it’s a significant development which I think will have much greater impact on how we operate, than all the iOS finger waving. I think this is the kind of improved functionality that I had come to expect from Apple, which in this upgrade is being obscured by iOS eye candy ( was there a great demand for animated thingy opening?)


I hope that .1 & .2 updates do address some of the concerns expressed, and if Apple could do a better job of promoting/explaining some of the less obvious but more significant functions, then users would accept Lion as more than a stray cat.
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Old Aug 1st, 2011, 01:41 AM   #13
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One of the things about this is that Apple doesn't always promote that sort of stuff very often. Firstly most likely because it's the type of thing that you just can't explain to the majority of their user base aside from saying "We've streamlined and improved the installation process" and even and then it's a big yawn ... from someone that's not a geek or cares about that kind of thing it means "blah blah blah we didn't have enough things to say so you are hearing about this thing that you don't know or care about, " but on the same note for that crowd you can say "And it has launchpad, this revolutionary new way of launching your apps, " and the crowd goes wild. The geeks think "Why do I need a new way to launch my apps?" and the even less computer literate go "Look! It looks just like the iPad and I can use that, it must be easy." Hence lots of push on the new UI and less on all the *nix core changes.
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I first Hated SNow Leopard due to some conflict with some Adobe software that i was using when it first got released and some other issues with it, but with A big BUT, i bought a new Mac faster and better and upgraded to Snow Leopard and amazingly enough, i loved it and i am still using it.

As for the Lion part of it? well i am really suspicious about it due to some mix reviews.

I have seen the preview of the bells and whistles about Lion and it looks KEWL and all, but for what i am doing? it is pointless for me to upgrade it.

Now by saying that? it is all about peoples' choices and taste.

As for I? i will wait until Lion gets perfected before i upgrade it just like i did with Snow leopard when it first came up.

Lion will be a kick ass OS once they improve it just like they did with SL.

It just get better, but it doesn't on the first release.
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Old Aug 1st, 2011, 04:35 AM   #15
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...Upgrading to new operating systems is inevitable - eventually, software is unsupported on older OS's, forcing everyone to upgrade.....
We live in an era that will be known as the Great Age of Information Loss. Why? Because every time there is a so-called upgrade, actual information gets left behind in an unusable, forever unreadable form. This has been happening to me with computers ever since the the punchcard era in the 1960s, right through many early computers with tape and my first Macintosh (System 4) with its 400K floppies, til now, and I do not think I am unique in this. Am I? Do any of you have a machine that can read my stack of punchcards, or tapes, or 400K discs? No, this is indeed the Great Age of Information Loss.

But upgrade away, young friends. Corporate profits are more important than the accumulation of knowledge.
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We live in an era that will be known as the Great Age of Information Loss. Why? Because every time there is a so-called upgrade, actual information gets left behind in an unusable, forever unreadable form. This has been happening to me with computers ever since the the punchcard era in the 1960s, right through many early computers with tape and my first Macintosh (System 4) with its 400K floppies, til now, and I do not think I am unique in this. Am I? Do any of you have a machine that can read my stack of punchcards, or tapes, or 400K discs? No, this is indeed the Great Age of Information Loss.

But upgrade away, young friends. Corporate profits are more important than the accumulation of knowledge.
I will have to say that i still have those old Machine that still can read floppies, disk from OS 4 to os 7 and ya, forgot os 9.2.2. LOL many of use still love antiques, that is why upgrading ain't so much of a loss, but a gain in knowledge. i keep those old machine to remind me how fast technology can move us in a wink of an eye from this to that saying before that i use to hate that OS, but look ... i am using it now.
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We live in an era that will be known as the Great Age of Information Loss. Why? Because every time there is a so-called upgrade, actual information gets left behind in an unusable, forever unreadable form. This has been happening to me with computers ever since the the punchcard era in the 1960s, right through many early computers with tape and my first Macintosh (System 4) with its 400K floppies, til now, and I do not think I am unique in this. Am I? Do any of you have a machine that can read my stack of punchcards, or tapes, or 400K discs? No, this is indeed the Great Age of Information Loss.

But upgrade away, young friends. Corporate profits are more important than the accumulation of knowledge.
While not untrue, you do realize that we are acquiring information at a much faster rate than we're losing it, don't you? We are net benefactors in the Information Age.
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I am finding lots (and LOTS) of little things, little touches, that surprise and delight me. For example, today I found the "quicklook" of web links in Mail. LOVE THAT.

I haven't given the "natural scrolling" a full run. I was surprised by it at first, then I actually watched myself using the iPhone and by gum, it DOES work that way!! But I turned it off on my Mac for now -- will give it a proper try later and see if I get used to it. My brain doesn't seem to have any trouble with doing it one way for the Mac and the "natural" way for iOS devices.

The one promoted feature I so far don't see much use for is Launchpad. I have LOTS of apps so this may be a factor. I have my Dock for the main apps I use, my Applications folder in the Dock for the rest, so I'm just not seeing me using that feature much. People with poorer eyesight and fewer apps (and a Magic Trackpad) will probably love it.

I'd like more control (specifically, the ability to exempt SOME apps) over Resume. Overall I think it's a very good feature.

I'm VERY mindful that my 2007 BlackBook (yes, I just can't seem to part with it yet, and Lion is yet another reason why!) is running FAR faster and FAR better than when I bought it. Ditto my 2G original iPhone and my 1st gen iPad -- and all three of these devices (well, not my 2G iPhone, but definitely my new iPhone 4) will get even better still in the fall with iCloud and iOS 5. Can you name another company that supports your devices after the sale as well as that? I certainly can't.*

*to be fair, I added RAM and a larger HD to my Blackbook on my own, but still -- performance and efficiency (and security) HAVE improved over the years, that's undeniable.

Anyway, overall I find Lion to be moving in the right direction. People who say they're "merging" the two OSes just have no idea what they are talking about really, and probably aren't using Lion anyway (or they'd avoid ignorant statements like that). Some of the IDEAS Apple learned from in developing iOS have been adopted on the Mac, that's very different than saying they two are merging.

Will I use every feature of Lion? No. I have never used every feature of any OS, why should Lion be any different in that regard? Haven't found anything that bothered me that I couldn't easily turn off, either. Some (repeat, SOME!) of the complaints I've read here and elsewhere basically boil down to "I'm getting old and I don't like change much anymore."

I'll probably get there someday (expect to see me whining up a storm about Mac OS XII!) myself, maybe. For me, computing technology has ALWAYS been about throwing out practically everything and starting over every few years. I had a lot of fun typing what would now be called "instant messages" over a 1200baud modem to my college's other campus and "hanging out" on BBSes. I miss that stuff sometimes, but I never kid myself that we should have just stuck with DOS and Mac SE/30s.
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Old Aug 1st, 2011, 09:55 AM   #19
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c'mon dude, anyone can see there is a beginning to merging the two experiences. That's just beyond ridiculous.

put down, the kool-aid. No one is hating Apple, we just are not loving this direction.



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Have to agree with GT. They ARE merging the two OS's. They even SAID that in the keynote of Lion that they were.
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