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Old Jun 6th, 2011, 07:00 PM   #31
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You are forgetting it was $69 for Leopard. Not a massive chunk of change, but it's hard (I know) to shell out money for an upgrade you know will make a lot of your programs stop working.

Upgrade to Leopard was painless, did have a couple programs that needed to be repurchased but nothing to extreme.

Snow Leopard has made my perfectly good printer obsolete (thanks a lot, Apple and Lexmark, you are BOTH to blame) and made quicktime API performance into a joke.

Honestly, Lion could go either way...
leopard was $129 iirc
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Old Jun 6th, 2011, 07:02 PM   #32
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For sure - but the thing is that you should always have the recovery disks/Stick that came with your Mac. Therefore, if you want to do recovery, you don't need a Lion disc, just use the disk that came with your mac.
yeah that sounds freaking awesome. restore to tiger, then install 10.6, then run updates to get to 10.6.6 to get app store, then download lion and install.

8 hours later, kiss your day off goodbye!
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Old Jun 6th, 2011, 07:33 PM   #33
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What does authorized computers mean, or better - what is an "unauthorized" Mac?
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Old Jun 6th, 2011, 07:39 PM   #34
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i also feel for people who have small caps
At one location I have a cap of 2 Gigs, every Gig over is $8.00.
Two Gigs were more than enough for browsing and email...but suddenly no more???
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But it sounds like these discs are not going to exist anymore. New macs will likely come pre-installed with the lion partition and no install disks.
I can't see them discontinuing the restore disks that are bundled in with new machines. If anything, they'll all go to the USB sticks that the new MacBook Airs have.

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yeah that sounds freaking awesome. restore to tiger, then install 10.6, then run updates to get to 10.6.6 to get app store, then download lion and install.

8 hours later, kiss your day off goodbye!
Or just do regular backups and restore from there.

But yeah, it's cumbersome. But I'd say that if your drive's borked, and you didn't back anything up - you've got more to be worried about than a cumbersome re-install (AKA all your data is gone.)

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What does authorized computers mean, or better - what is an "unauthorized" Mac?
"Authorized" means any computer you've signed into the Mac App Store on/"authorized" to use your Mac App Store account.

I do wonder if Lion might be far too easy to pirate... I in no way advocate piracy, but if I buy it for $29. Then sign in to the Mac App Store on my friend's computer and then download and update. And then sign out of the Mac App Store - it's not like Apple can just disable Lion? Who knows. Be interested to see how they sort that out.

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At one location I have a cap of 2 Gigs, every Gig over is $8.00.
Two Gigs were more than enough for browsing and email...but suddenly no more???
Browsing and email aren't gonna go anywhere for you. We're talking about a 1-time 4GB Lion download.

What do you do when software updates come out like 10.6.6 --> 10.6.7. Those can weigh heavily on a 2GB Cap.

And in your case, I would suggest what's already been pointed out in this thread - go to a Starbucks/McDonalds/Second Cup/etc... and use their wifi to download Lion.
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"Authorized" means any computer you've signed into the Mac App Store on/"authorized" to use your Mac App Store account.

I do wonder if Lion might be far too easy to pirate... I in no way advocate piracy, but if I buy it for $29. Then sign in to the Mac App Store on my friend's computer and then download and update. And then sign out of the Mac App Store - it's not like Apple can just disable Lion? Who knows. Be interested to see how they sort that out.
I read somewhere today that you can authorize up to 5 Macs on one account. No idea how they'd limit that to one household.

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Browsing and email aren't gonna go anywhere for you. We're talking about a 1-time 4GB Lion download.

What do you do when software updates come out like 10.6.6 --> 10.6.7. Those can weigh heavily on a 2GB Cap.

And in your case, I would suggest what's already been pointed out in this thread - go to a Starbucks/McDonalds/Second Cup/etc... and use their wifi to download Lion.
Yeah, that'll work really well for someone with an iMac or a Mac Pro!

There are a few poor souls out there limited to using dial-up because of where they live (and no, they're not all in some isolated hamlet in the Yukon either - there are places in Southern Ontario with no cable and no DSL - my sister-in-law lives in one of them) who are really going to need to be able to get Lion on a disk. Not many, for sure - but some, and I certainly hope Apple will realize this and make provisions for them.
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Browsing and email aren't gonna go anywhere for you. We're talking about a 1-time 4GB Lion download.

What do you do when software updates come out like 10.6.6 --> 10.6.7. Those can weigh heavily on a 2GB Cap.

And in your case, I would suggest what's already been pointed out in this thread - go to a Starbucks/McDonalds/Second Cup/etc... and use their wifi to download Lion.
That assumes there are never any problems.
I just spent several days moving data to a new Mini. MA would never complete the migration for reasons still unknown but I started each new attempt by wiping the hard drive clean, reinstalling SL and trying MA again. Sounds with Lion I would have to download the OS each time.
And using a public WiFi hotspot sounds theoretically reasonable but would only work for laptops; it is also more awkward and cumbersome than upgrading to a new OS at home.

I guess we'll all have to wait how this all shakes out in the end - I'm actually more interested to find out about all the things that break
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I'm hoping that they tweak up their distribution methods a little bit before it hit's the streets ... if it's the same as the current "authorized" computers then I'll either have to change my apple ID on some of my computers or figure out some other way to workaround this as I have more than 5 computers. I haven't really used the Mac App store as of yet either as I was not looking forward to having to download the same things over and over again in their entirety because they couldn't be bothered putting in a proper update savvy system ... thankfully they are now saying they will have delta updates in the new setup, which is very welcome.

Also I do hope that we'll be able to easily put the Lion installer onto alternate media. First and foremost I do NOT want the OS to just randomly decide to adjust my partitions for me on any drive if I have a say in it, I also really don't care to have to sacrifice 4G of every boot drive with an OS install partition that I don't need. Now if they let me put it on a USB stick or an external drive and run from there I'll be happy enough. Also not really looking forward to having to download the same installer over and over again for all of my machines in my household. I also hope that they don't do anything silly like lock the installer down to your personal Apple ID, etc. I look after a great deal of machines and it would really really suck to have to have a different OS copy for each Apple ID as required.

BUT ... until it hits the streets (the public ones) we won't know for sure. That's the way it goes with Apple, always has.
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I wonder how well it'll run flash

seriously though, this is a pretty exciting update, we haven't had an update/feature fix in quite a while. I love the new scrollbar hide thing, make that ugly thing go away. I hope all other browsers follow suit (or is this something that affects everything?)



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I wonder how well it'll run flash

seriously though, this is a pretty exciting update, we haven't had an update/feature fix in quite a while. I love the new scrollbar hide thing, make that ugly thing go away. I hope all other browsers follow suit (or is this something that affects everything?)
Don't you mean you'll wonder IF it will run flash? It looks like iOSX to me ... you never know what will happen!
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