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View Poll Results: Do you pirate Mac software?
Yes, I never purchase software. 6 5.22%
Yes occasionally, but I also purchase software I like. 30 26.09%
Not any more, but I used to. Now I purchase all my software. 31 26.96%
No, I have always purchased software that I use. 48 41.74%
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 04:16 PM   #141
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Using that logic, I should be able to walk on to a bus that looks half empty and say "I'm not going to pay because you're only half full and it really doesn't 'cost' you anything for me to ride for free."

Or I could walk into the ACC and say "I'm going to sit in Section 120, row D, seats 11 and 12 for tonight's game. I know that nobody will be sitting in those seats tonight because those are my boss's seats and he couldn't get rid of them. It's okay because I'm not costing you anything."

Or I could walk into a buffet restaurant 1/2 hour before closing and say "I'm not going to pay for my meal tonight. You've got all this food that is just going to get thrown out anyway after you close, so I'm not costing you anything."

If a piece of software has a price tag on it (i.e. not a promotional copy, demo, etc.), and you didn't pay that price and installed the software anyway, you have stolen that piece of software.
Actually, you've proven my point. Every case you have is based upon a business model in which a set level of sales is expected to cover the costs and each unit of sale is priced accordingly. Every case is based upon a set physical quantity of a limited resource. Buses are going to be busy because people need to ride them. If they are no longer affordable to run they will be taken off the route. Look at the case in Ottawa right now. The ACC deal is fine if you had the Boss's OK. Nobody needs to pay again for that seat, it was already bought and paid for. If the boss didn't give you the OK and the boss showed up you wouldn't be allowed to sit on his lap. The restaurant one is the same, the food in the buffet gets put out so long as there are paying customers. I don't expect any buffet is fully stocked when they know they are about to close down. They produce the food and put it out as per how many paying customers they have and how fast they are eating. If there's food left over that they can't use, they may donate it to a food bank or shelter or just throw it out.



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It is against the law. Period, end of story.
I wasn't arguing against the legalities. I was arguing against the previous statement about stealing the work effort of somebody that built a house being the same thing as stealing a copy of software. I don't know why you would have thought I was promoting law breaking especially after I opened up with "I am not a pirate".
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #142
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What in the blue blazes are you TALKING about? Did I say SOFTWARE DESIGNER? Where did you read that?
I guess we're from different planets.
What exactly did you mean by "developer" in this context if not the software designer/engineer/developer?
From your earlier post which I quoted in my reply
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Judging from your two responses you're just not even bothering, so continue to set your replies on auto-fire.
And what does that mean?
I reply when I get back to this thread and I feel there is a reply warranted.


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Firstly, you complete ignored my question regarding EULA: What exactly is your point? How does it relate to piracy? Secondly: Are you arguing with Adobe's stance regarding ownership of licenses? Or are you just going to skirt around it and just fire off nonsense about refunds?
Paint all the broad strokes you want, but not all developers are equal.
This thread is going all over the map with most of it not even relating to the original question: "Do you pirate software"
That's why I suggested to close the thread since it's so far off topic.
I'm not arguing about anything related to Adobe or what they chose to include in their EULA - that's their choice.
And you may think the issue about a refund for a product that doesn't deliver what it promises is "nonsense", consumers wouldn't agree and neither would you I'm sure if it was anything but software. Nobody should be forced to have to pay for and keep a product if it doesn't deliver what it promises.
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 05:37 PM   #143
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I guess we're from different planets.
What exactly did you mean by "developer" in this context if not the software designer/engineer/developer?
From your earlier post which I quoted in my reply
In the grand scheme of things a developer can mean a person or entity (company). It's perfectly apt since some software companies are literally a single person.
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 05:42 PM   #144
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In the grand scheme of things a developer can mean a person or entity (company). It's perfectly apt since some software companies are literally a single person.
Who'd want to deal with a company that's only one person? That seems super sketchy to me.
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 05:48 PM   #145
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And what does that mean?
I reply when I get back to this thread and I feel there is a reply warranted.

This thread is going all over the map with most of it not even relating to the original question: "Do you pirate software"
That's why I suggested to close the thread since it's so far off topic.
I'm not arguing about anything related to Adobe or what they chose to include in their EULA - that's their choice.
And you may think the issue about a refund for a product that doesn't deliver what it promises is "nonsense", consumers wouldn't agree and neither would you I'm sure if it was anything but software. Nobody should be forced to have to pay for and keep a product if it doesn't deliver what it promises.
Well, telling someone they dream in technicolor certainly helps keep it on track.

Look, this has (largely) been a great discussion. Why the need to suggest closing it? You either want it back on track or you don't.
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 05:50 PM   #146
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Who'd want to deal with a company that's only one person? That seems super sketchy to me.
How about two? Is that less sketchy?
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 06:29 PM   #147
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Who'd want to deal with a company that's only one person? That seems super sketchy to me.


AFAIK, the only person at Shirt Pocket is Dave Nanian, and I don't think any of the legions of SuperDuper! users here would ever describe either Dave or his company as "sketchy"!!
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #148
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AFAIK, the only person at Shirt Pocket is Dave Nanian, and I don't think any of the legions of SuperDuper! users here would ever describe either Dave or his company as "sketchy"!!
I was just kidding. My comment was a bad joke that was poorly told. There's only one person at Primate Labs -- me!
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 07:31 PM   #149
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I was just kidding. My comment was a bad joke that was poorly told. There's only one person at Primate Labs -- me!
I figured but for some reason I thought PL had two people.
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Old Mar 20th, 2011, 08:04 PM   #150
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I used to pirate just about everything. Office suites, games, operating systems, you name it. I was rather poor and I didn't have the money to blow on expensive software (especially after blowing it on expensive computers), so I always wondered why software developers would get so irritated by it. It's not like I was going to buy your product in the first place, and I didn't prevent you from selling a copy to anyone else. In 2001, I think I only "owned" about 10-15% of the software I used.

Over the years I've received numerous promotions, and as a result my disposable income is now a lot higher, and I thus have a lot more money to spend on software. As of right now, I would not be surprised if 9/10 of the applications I use were legally acquired. Platforms like Steam really helped curb my piracy of games. But aside from that, I rarely follow license agreements, and I have no qualms with installing a single physical copy on multiple computers.
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