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#1 · (Edited)
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#2 ·
Since this is absolutely -nowhere- on the internet, I figured I'd post it as a sort of FYI.

10.7 does indeed boot and run on a 32-bit EFI implementation, so long as the host CPU is 64-bit compatible. This includes the MacPro1,1 system and anything based on a Core 2 Duo, but with a 32-bit EFI.

There are some graphical glitches in the user setup wizard (most notably, the timezone selector widget is totally hosed)- but these were *also* present in the betas of 10.6 before retail shipped (and retail showed no signs of the same issue). I would expect something similar with 10.7.

Regardless, it runs fine on ye olde MacPro1,1- including GPU acceleration (SC2 ran just as fast as it does under 10.6).

-DN
Thanks for the info and the apparently needless scare.....
 
#4 ·
Thx for the info.

Not sure if we'll move from Leopard to SL or skip to Lion. Biggest issue for us is print drivers, one of the reasons we haven't moved to SL, yet.

Of course, there is also the chance that we may move to a new desktop by then & be "stuck" with it.
 
#10 ·
Lion will run on any Intel Mac.

I had it running on a buddy's old 1.83 MacBook CoreDuo before he sold it. You just have to install the OS on the hard drive via a machine that Lion *does* support, change a plist file and then put the HD back into the MacBook/iMac, etc... It could even be done via Firewire target mode so that you wouldn't even have to physically remove a HD.

Not an "easy" procedure at all, but by no means a "hard" one, at least IMHO.
 
#11 ·
The longer I hold on to my MacPro 1.1 the more I wish for a mid tower Mac Pro.....

I will never own a iMac for many reasons... But i really don't have the money for a new Mac Pro, as I need PCI-E expansion slots for many reasons....

I guess I just have to start saving for a new MP as with Lion the writing is on the wall... 5 years out and your hardware will start to become obsolete for the current Apple OS....

Which leads to another question....

Does one really need Lion????

And...

Are things changing faster than we really need/want them to relative to the cost and the benefits that the change provides?

Again another question....

If one spends over $2000 for a computer how long should one expect a new OS will be compatible with it?
 
#25 ·
I guess it depends on one's interpretation of Mac "support" and what the user wants or needs for their use - and that to me would include software AND hardware.

Apple alone still has recently updated web support pages for:
Apple - Support - Mac OS X 10.3 Panther
Apple - Support - Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger
Apple - Support - Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard

And when Apple deems any product as "legacy" it's often due to the fact that they cannot reliably supply parts for those models.

The update/upgrade comes into place when a user needs to, just like our Nissan Multi we used for almost 22 years when the water pump went kaput and the price to replace it with parts and labour was at least 4-5 times the value of the Multi. Until that time and the costs to repair it, it suited my use very well.

My wife had a newer vehicle as that's what she wanted and needed, and surmised that I got $100.00 -$200.00 more than expected on the trade-in due the amount and artistic use of Canada duct tape on the Multi eh!! ;-)
 
#27 ·
Two points:

1. Lion is officially supported (at this point) ONLY on Core2Duo and later machines. This comes directly from Apple's developer notes on the the developer version, which is not under NDA.

2. SCreature is, in point of fact, wrong about Windows XP support. Service pack (bug fix) support for it ended in 2006 for most versions, with the exception of the 64-bit Professional, which ended in 2009, and the XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, which ends in July. Support has even expired for all three of XP's service packs, the last one of which came out in 2008 ("Support ends 24 months after the next service pack releases or at the end of the product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first.")

Furthermore, "Mainstream support" (whatever that means) for XP (all versions) ended in 2009, though "Extended support" (whatever THAT means) ends in 2014.

The last version of XP to come out was the 64-bit Professional Edition, in mid-2005. Mainstream support ended for it in mid-2009, a "life cycle" of four years (to be fair, the first version of XP came out in 2001 and was supported for eight years).

Source: Microsoft Support Lifecycle
 
#29 · (Edited)
Two points:

1. Lion is officially supported (at this point) ONLY on Core2Duo and later machines. This comes directly from Apple's developer notes on the the developer version, which is not under NDA.

2. SCreature is, in point of fact, wrong about Windows XP support. Service pack (bug fix) support for it ended in 2006 for most versions, with the exception of the 64-bit Professional, which ended in 2009, and the XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, which ends in July. Support has even expired for all three of XP's service packs, the last one of which came out in 2008 ("Support ends 24 months after the next service pack releases or at the end of the product's support lifecycle, whichever comes first.")

Furthermore, "Mainstream support" (whatever that means) for XP (all versions) ended in 2009, though "

The last version of XP to come out was the 64-bit Professional Edition, in mid-2005. Mainstream support ended for it in mid-2009, a "life cycle" of four years (to be fair, the first version of XP came out in 2001 and was supported for eight years).

Source: Microsoft Support Lifecycle
By support I mean it still gets security updates and other updates such as Java. In this regard it is still supported by Microsoft. I know this to be a fact as I still have it installed via Fusion. So in point of fact I am correct. :D Your own post says as much, "Extended support" (whatever THAT means) ends in 2014."

During extended support, all users receive all security updates, but non-security hot fixes are provided only to companies that have signed support contracts with Microsoft.
 
#28 ·
It seems that MS's idea of "Extended support" translates to, if you'll excuse my wife's addage, "It all comesdown to money". Surprise, surprise, or rather no surprise coming from M$ and their $$ support policy.

It seems the BIG OS payers may get a few more years grace, but the consumer support is kaput!!
"... Extended Support is not offered for Consumer, Hardware, and Multimedia products...."
Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ

Maybe a better MS XP "support" summary is at Windows XP's Days are Really Numbered Now - PCWorld Business Center

Now back to Macs and their OS program for one's listening or reading pleasure ... ;-)
 
#31 ·
It seems that MS's idea of "Extended support" translates to, if you'll excuse my wife's addage, "It all comesdown to money". Surprise, surprise, or rather no surprise coming from M$ and their $$ support policy.

It seems the BIG OS payers may get a few more years grace, but the consumer support is kaput!!
"... Extended Support is not offered for Consumer, Hardware, and Multimedia products...."
Microsoft Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ

Maybe a better MS XP "support" summary is at Windows XP's Days are Really Numbered Now - PCWorld Business Center

Now back to Macs and their OS program for one's listening or reading pleasure ... ;-)
Not according the very article you linked to:

During extended support, all users receive all security updates, but non-security hot fixes are provided only to companies that have signed support contracts with Microsoft.
 
#40 ·
In my opinion, I always like using Windows XP. Windowss 7 UI seem like a big change, so I have not used Windows 7 or Vista for that matter. I will still use it even after support is gone.... I know its not the best, but I am used to the UI and how it works...

By the way screature, do you mind telling me how I can get the "I support neutrality" banner on my signature? I am assuming its code....
 
#46 ·
I'm not sure of the relationship of a GeekBench score and the actual Mac OS X speeds, but using a 2008 Mac Pro (albeit a 2008 dual quad 2.8GHz Mac Pro), the speed test a fellow did between SL 10.6.8 and Lion 10.7 shows Lion faster in OS X 10.7 in nearly all test areas, and two out of the three that were slower were startup and shutdown — not exactly something that one would think of for the actual speeds when using the OS. ;)

See: Macs Only! Apple Macintosh News, Commentary, Reviews & Troubleshooting for the details and results,
 
#47 ·
I'm not sure of the relationship of a GeekBench score and the actual Mac OS X speeds, but using a 2008 Mac Pro (albeit a 2008 dual quad 2.8GHz Mac Pro), the speed test a fellow did between SL 10.6.8 and Lion 10.7 shows Lion faster in OS X 10.7 in nearly all test areas, and two out of the three that were slower were startup and shutdown — not exactly something that one would think of for the actual speeds when using the OS. ;)

See: Macs Only! Apple Macintosh News, Commentary, Reviews & Troubleshooting for the details and results,
Shut down is rather slow on my Mac pro too. Almost painful, but it's not like you need to sit and watch it.


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