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Old Jan 6th, 2011, 07:25 PM   #21
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I forgot to mention: Once you've got it in <wide> mode you'll need to switch the resolution to a 16:10 setup in the display settings like 1680 x 1050 or 1920 x 1080 if they're available... if after that there's no improvement it may be worth taking back and trying to find a screen with proper DVI inputs and a 16:10 aspect Ratio. For what it's worth the fact that 1080p shows up as a display setting could mean that the Mac is interpreting it as a TV even though it isn't one (the only time I've ever seen settings expressed in terms of 'p' or 'i' in the displays pane was when connected to a TV).
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Old Jan 6th, 2011, 09:01 PM   #22
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I am using a MacPro Quad, Apple Supported ATI 5870 1GB Graphics Card, OSX (latest version) connected via DVI-HDMI.
does the display not have a DVI connection? I've seen weird things happen when macs are connected via hdmi (type not crisp and overscan problems)
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does the display not have a DVI connection? I've seen weird things happen when macs are connected via hdmi (type not crisp and overscan problems)
Nope, according to Samsung it's dual HDMI
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Nope, according to Samsung it's dual HDMI
It does have a VGA connection. I have not tried it... Isn't the whole point to get a high def signal anyway?
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It does have a VGA connection. I have not tried it... Isn't the whole point to get a high def signal anyway?
Yes, well, sort of but generally "High-def" in that context refers to televisions... regardless the VGA will produce something on the order of 800 x 600 and really if that were what you were after you could have made do with an old CRT.

Did you try the settings adjustments I suggested setting the screen to 16:10 and the displays to it's equivalent?
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The main issue for those of us here is that while it is a monitor it seems to use standards that are usually only found on televisions:

16:9 aspect ratio
HDMI inputs
1080p resolution

These are all formats that are atypical for dedicated computer monitors... it's almost like this is a console gaming monitor or something (for like a PS3 or XBox 360)

Monitor standards are (in general):

16:10 or 4:3 aspect ratio
1920 x 1200 or 1600 x 1200 (just picking an average) resolution, which would be roughly equivalent to 1200p (but you would likely never use that to describe a monitor...)
DVI-D or DVI-I or MiniDisplayport inputs
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Old Jan 7th, 2011, 12:16 AM   #27
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if a given computer is outputting at the native aspect ratio of a given panel, given a consistent quality of panel it should always look "as good" regardless of what the aspect ratio is

also, a mac pro outputting via a dvi-vga adapter or mdp-vga adapter can go waaaaay higher than 800x600. vga connectors are capable of resolutions of over 2000 vertical pixels
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Strange it has a VGA connector. That's a fairly old connector type. If you have a DVI to VGA connector, I'd give it a try to see what happens.
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Yes, well, sort of but generally "High-def" in that context refers to televisions... regardless the VGA will produce something on the order of 800 x 600 and really if that were what you were after you could have made do with an old CRT.

Did you try the settings adjustments I suggested setting the screen to 16:10 and the displays to it's equivalent?
You are spreading a lot of misinformation in this thread.

VGA is just a different way of transmitting a video signal.

TVs use essentially the same technology now as computers. High Definition, in TV-Land, refers to any resolution of 1280x720 or higher.

Now, this BX2431 monitor IS a PC monitor, however it has a resolution of 1920x1080. This is also the exact resolution of 1080p. Many computer monitors are switching to a 16:9 aspect ratio. It makes sense. This way when you watch movies, a 16:9 movie will have no black bars on the top and bottom.

I see no reason why 1920x1080 (1080p) would produce a sub-par output. You can try the VGA input, though you may find it looks worse. VGA is certainly capable of carrying 1920x1080, though there may be too much interference and signal loss for it to look good.

You may want to take a look to see if your monitor has a sharpness control. It may be set too high.
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You are spreading a lot of misinformation in this thread.
Well that's awfully nice of you to say... but apart from the error on the limits of SVGA (which yes I was mistaken on) I don't think I've made any other false statements or misinformation...

- When referring to 1080p as "Hi-Def" you're generally talking about a television (which is what I meant by "in this context"). It's not like I said "hi-Def is TV period"
- some monitors / tv's with dual HDMI do have one port set to differentiate a DVI signal (not sure if you meant this one)
- "1080p" in the Display System Preference doesn't usually show up for monitors, it would normally be expressed as 1920 x 1080, and yes I know they're the same thing... but the fact that it interpreted it as 1080p could be significant, which is why I mentioned it...
- Most monitors are either 16:10 or 4:3 (yes there are some which are 16:9, obviously since we are dealing with one here, but again I didn't say there are NO 16:9 monitors)
- HDMI inputs are unusual on monitors (I didn't say HDMI inputs are NEVER found on monitors I didn't even say they were rare, and yes they are becoming more common but they're still not the norm)
- "16:9 is a television resolution" (okay I should've phrased that better, what I meant by that is that 16:9 is normally a tv aspect ratio, as you said it's the reason some of the newer monitors are 16:9, so that widescreen HD content fits properly on screen)

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VGA is just a different way of transmitting a video signal.
Yeah, I know, I was basing what I said on the old standard resolution spec for SVGA, I didn't know that it had been revised as technology improved (mainly because I never use it anymore, haven't in about nine years). Beyond that since I knew that the OP wanted a high-definition image I dismissed the VGA port because of this mistake, but I still don't think it's the solution since, as you said, it's susceptible to noise and interference (and I just tried it on my own Syncmaster from an HD 5770. I can get the option of 1680 x 1050; however when I try it the monitor has a seizure and goes black... dialling it back to 1600 x 1000 it stabilizes but the image is fuzzy especially for text, the best I can manage is 4:3 @ 1280 x 960 going into the SVGA port... and since it's 4:3 we lose a portion of the screen on either side to vertical letter-boxing (or whatever the vertical equivalent is), that doesn't mean the OP will have the same result since his card is a 5870 and he's using a different model Syncmaster, and I can be pretty certain that the other screens around mine are putting out a fair bit of interference, but without him trying it who can say).

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I see no reason why 1920x1080 (1080p) would produce a sub-par output. You can try the VGA input, though you may find it looks worse. VGA is certainly capable of carrying 1920x1080, though there may be too much interference and signal loss for it to look good.
Neither did any of the rest of us, which is why after three days we're into more esoteric speculation like "maybe it's a console monitor" or "could it be because it's 16:9 via HDMI?"...

Ultimately I'm just trying to solve the OP's problem, or at least diagnose it.

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You may want to take a look to see if your monitor has a sharpness control. It may be set too high.
The OP said in his first post that he's tried all of the screen settings already... and Lars had him reset the monitor in case it wasn't on factory defaults.

Frankly after three days of trying to help the OP having to defend myself kinda sucks. I thought the point was to try to solve the problem... I mean hell it's fine to say "you're wrong about that", but accusing someone of spreading misinformation? Seriously?
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