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Old Aug 20th, 2009, 01:12 AM   #21
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Have fun, and yes, it self destructs fairly quickly, mine lasted about 2 weeks.
3+ months strong for me. [shrug] All in all, it's not as bad as many frothing fanboys make it out to be.

As for fullscreen apps, the "resize" button thinks it's smarter than me and will only resize a browser window to "as big as it needs to be". Apparently there's some 3rd party apps out there to allow web windows to "maximize" like many of us long-term Windows users are simply used to. I could go with that. As long as I can do what I need to do and OSX doesn't get in the way.

It's a pretty steep learning curve, so far. I have to forcibly drag files to the trash can since the delete button does nothing. Burning files to a CD was pretty painful... but it's all what you know and how to do it, I suppose. I miss just right-clicking stuff to send it where I want.

Don't get me wrong, Apple makes a great product - I WANT to like it... it's just hard to adjust. It's not as "natural" as you guys say it is. A lot of simple tasks are just as complicated in both worlds.
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Old Aug 20th, 2009, 04:42 AM   #22
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Most Windows people find Macs difficult at first since they can't get it through their heads that a task that they're used to taking 7 clicks can be done in 2 or 3. I get so mad when people say they miss "right click". if you use a mouse on a mac then go into the System Preferences and then Mouse and turn on Secondary Click, et voila, right click. If you use a Macbook, tap the pad with two fingers instead of one to get right click. If that doesn't work then check out the trackpad settings in Sys Preferences. To burn music, make an itunes playlist and then click burn. in iPhoto, you can click on share then burn. to burn data files, right-click on your desktop and create a "burn folder". load it up with all your data and click burn. it's not difficult at all. You can also check out Toast if you want a more Nero like way of burning.

If you're getting your OS legally, Snow Leopard will be cheaper and better and out sooner than Windows 7. If you torrent, the latest Snow Leopard build seems quite stable and sweet.

I'm sorry if I'm sounding insensitive to the Mac novice. If you go to the support section of Apple.ca. there are tons of how-to videos to get you feeling more comfortable on a mac. if all you want to do is get rid of private data. you can go to Accounts in System Preferences. Create a new fresh Admin account. Log into that new account and then delete the other accounts and their data.
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Old Aug 20th, 2009, 08:01 AM   #23
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As for fullscreen apps, the "resize" button thinks it's smarter than me and will only resize a browser window to "as big as it needs to be".
And one woukld think that grabbing the bottom right corner and dragging is some kind of stress. The Windoze resize buttons are ugly, massively oversized, erratic in operation, and on the wrong side of the window. Next to those things, it's almost as good as Apple (well, at least System 5)...

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Apparently there's some 3rd party apps out there to allow web windows to "maximize" like many of us long-term Windows users are simply used to.
Why would someone want to maximize a web page to full screen? I thought the point of a wondowed GUI was to have multiple windows on the screen at one, so one can flip back and forth?

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It's a pretty steep learning curve, so far. I have to forcibly drag files to the trash can since the delete button does nothing.
At least the Apple HAS a Trash - Windoze just has that "recycle" garbage that is buried under layers of windoze and takes up massive amounts of desktop space. On an Apple, it is simply on the Dock. A few mouse clicks, and one can even put the Delete icon in the Finder menu bar, where it is entirely convenient. And when one does use the Trash - it is actually Trash, not some "recycle" mumbo-jumbo which entails nothing more than changing the first character of the file name to some special control character, where other applications can willy-nilly overwrite parts of it whenever they feel like. The Delete button works on mine, once a file or group of files is highlighted - so maybe you APE'd your machine so it no longer works (or maybe you just have to put the Delete button into the Finder Menubar)?

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Burning files to a CD was pretty painful...
That's pretty sad - since burning a CD is entirely easy on a Mac; while under Windoze, your mileage may vary, but guaranteed, the garbage software that the Evil Empire doles out is a champion when it comes to frisbee creation. The only thing I ever had trouble with was burning a pure ISO9660 disk - which is entirely handled by a number of easy to use utilities, like DiscBurn or BurnX or whatever.

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but it's all what you know and how to do it, I suppose. I miss just right-clicking stuff to send it where I want.
If you buy and connect a 2 button mouse, then one can "right click" on a Mac like all belief. Of course, right clicking under Windoze is an ersatz experience, and a major, and I mean major, learning curve, with unbelievable amounts of complexity - especially when one has to use it in complex software like AutoDesk Inventor - mostly because the Windoze GUI is so poorly designed, and menus are so inconsistent that they saddle the right-click with all kinds of garbage that doesn't need to be there.

I'd prefer not to send anything anywhere with one easy mouse click - too much chance of sending something into a black hole or the bit bucket. I see nothing wrong with firing up a utility in order to make a disk, especially when Disk Utility is entirely built in and easy to use; and aftermarket programs offer additional flexibility while being just as easy to use.

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Don't get me wrong, Apple makes a great product - I WANT to like it... it's just hard to adjust. It's not as "natural" as you guys say it is. A lot of simple tasks are just as complicated in both worlds.
"Getting used to it" is as simple as getting rid of the thoughts of the brain damage that Windoze inflicts - garbage like having the Control key in the wrong place, and the lack of a Command key, or having consistent menus between various pieces of software, or of proper window resize keys in conjunction with the uber-ease of Expose to switch between windows, or Spaces to switch between tasks. I find no tasks on a Mac to be "complicated", it's all about actually using the GUI, where functions are all accessible with a simple click of the mouse, and without the need to learn endless configurations of right-click functions that are nothing more than a sop to very poor GUI design.

The reason it is "complicated" is because it is logical, and relies upon functional icons and menu items that are available on the screen; in comparison to the illogical and ersatz functions under Windoze that may or may not have a menu selection or an icon, or that those things are in inconsistent places, or buried within the craziness of the Ribbon Menu system - which is the paramount example of screen barf ever.
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It's a pretty steep learning curve, so far. I have to forcibly drag files to the trash can since the delete button does nothing.
Apple + Delete, poof it's gone.
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I think you just need to get used to OS X. I've seen that before. People get frustrated when things work differently. But if you value your time, use OS X. I don't use Windows other than professionally, not in it's current form at least. Viruses (I got the Sony rootkit back in the day, two years before Mark Rusinovich figured out what Sony was doing) and the damn info baloons and dialogs that pop up all the time annoy the hell out of me.

Also, my old MBP overheated during the Windows install. The fans just never ever spun up in Windows, no matter the temperature. This was about 2 years ago and with Windows XP SP3. I'm not sure whether this would still be the case.
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I actually "LOL"ed at the resizing, the "lack of Right Click", and then I nearly peed that this guy finds clicking a button that says "BURN" to be too difficult.

I'm convinced this guy has never even seen a Mac now. He just wanted to get a rise out of us. Thanks for the laughs though!
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I think when OP says he wants to "Send To" via right click, is because wingarbage has a rick-click menu item where you can "send" a file you right-click to a mail recipient, to "my documents" etc. I'm not on my Mac, but I don't recall it being there.
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Old Aug 20th, 2009, 06:56 PM   #28
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Yeesh... Fine - I know little about macs as I haven't used them regularly since the MacII days. I know the hardware, I don't know OSX.

How dare I speak anything but praises... guess what? Other long-term Windows users are going to ask/say similar things - are you going to flame THEM away too? Hang out at the Apple store and chase converts away if they say they don't like something because it's different than they're used to?

Burning a CD outside of iSoftware was a little more difficult than I wanted. I missed the simplicity of right-clicking a file and "send to DVD-RW drive". That's me.

And yeah, I LIKE stretching out my web windows to fit lots of RELEVANT info at once, rather than the confusion of several windows at once.
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Everyone gets treated the same... windows support talk usually gets you jabbed but it's all in good fun.
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Old Aug 20th, 2009, 07:30 PM   #30
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Flame on

People aren't "flaming" because we can't handle people dissing Macs. It's more about the ignorance in your complaints. All of the things you mentioned are moot since they're not problems with Mac OS, they're problems of you not understanding Mac OS. All of the things you think you can't do, you can actually do better and faster in Mac OS. If you sat down with a Mac User for an hour or less. I'm sure they could show you everything you need to know to operate a Mac efficiently. Like others have said before, there's a lot of consistency in the way Mac OS is laid out therefore making the learning curve easier. Once you get one part down, the rest flows smooth. The feature in Windows where you can right click and "send to" outlook was mentioned earlier. Yes that's a nifty feature that Mac doesn't have but did you know you can just drag any file and drop it onto the Mail icon in the dock and a new mail message window will popup with the attachment in tow? You can drag any file onto any app in the dock or in the app folder to open it. Mac is different than Windows for sure. but not as different as people make it out to be. If you want to "maximize" your web browser so that it takes up the whole screen, then drag the bottom left corner so that it fills the screen. Safari will remember this and always open full screen in the future. full screen isn't a default behaviour since it's just adding white space to the left and right of the screen. The "maximize" button in mac enlarges the window to be as big as the content needs.

I'm sure if someone had legitimate arguments of the benefits of Windows over Mac, the mac fanboys would have to suck up their pride and agree. Remember that most Mac users are Windows users too. Either at work or via Bootcamp/Parallels. These people love their Macs based on real life, long term, experiences with both OSes. On the other side, everyone I've met who's dissed Mac in favour for Windows hasn't had much Mac experience at all to make an unbiased review.

Mac isn't perfect but it makes way more sense once you get it. It's such a time saver for me. Since I made the switch from PC to Mac 2 years ago, I save around 15 hours a month with my boost in productivity.
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