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Old Feb 27th, 2008, 07:25 PM   #1
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G4 video card question

I'm looking at upgrading the video card in my MDD G4 from the stock 32MB. I know that the best available for it is the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, but the mac edition is crazy expensive. I've found a bunch of them from third-party companies (like Sapphire) for a lot cheaper. Any chance that these would work? Or is there a fairly straigtforward approach to flashing the card, that doesn't require a Windows box?
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Old Feb 27th, 2008, 07:50 PM   #2
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I had a Sapphire card for a few days. In terms of performance it was great. Quite the upgrade for me at the time (16MB Rage to 64MB = very nice). Unfortunately for me I could not make the card work after waking from sleep. I would get a highly distorted video mash and could only recover with a reset. This was a few years ago and things may be better now.
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Waka: I've investigated this pretty thoroughly and have come to these conclusions--though other ehMacers may disagree:

1) The flashing process is hit and miss. Some people who buy a card with the intention of flashing it are disappointed.
2) You can't flash the card without first placing it in a non-Mac box.
3) If you want to avoid paying 9600 Pro prices, then find someone who is willing to flash one of the cards and let you test it before buying.
4) It is often no more expensive to buy a whole used box with the card that you want, than it is to buy the card itself. Consider doing that and switching cards, then selling the one you like least.
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I'm looking at upgrading the video card in my MDD G4 from the stock 32MB. I know that the best available for it is the ATI Radeon 9600 Pro, but the mac edition is crazy expensive. I've found a bunch of them from third-party companies (like Sapphire) for a lot cheaper. Any chance that these would work? Or is there a fairly straigtforward approach to flashing the card, that doesn't require a Windows box?
Other World Computing has the OEM ATI 9600 Pro for $99. USD
Seems to be the best choice to me, Better than fiddling with flashed cards.

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Old Feb 27th, 2008, 08:11 PM   #5
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Interesting, dolawren--they altered a G5 card to work in a G4. Note that it doesn't have a powered ADC connection.
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I just purchased the APPLE ATI 9600 XT from eBay for about $96 for my MDD. I did lots of looking around before settling on this.

What is nice about this card is that it is fanless (no more pesky noisy, dying video fans to deal with) and supports Core Image while being faster than the 9600 Pro. It might be worth your while to contact "Mac-Genius" from eBay regarding this card or another one that fits your budget.

eBay Store - Mac Geniuses:
APPLE ATI RADEON 9600 XT SPEED!
400MHz GPU / 64MB / 620MHz DDR
FANLESS = COMPLETELY SILENT/QUIET
for ANY 4X AGP POWERMAC G4
EVEN QUICKSILVER/DIGITAL AUDIO MACS!
MAC OS 10.3.6-10.4.10 G4 COMPATIBILITY TESTED √
MacOS 10.5 LEOPARD TESTED in a G4/G5 √
FULL ATI DISPLAYS & EXTENDED DESKTOP


This is an Apple Radeon 9600 Mac 64MB video card configured for Powermac G4s that works in all all Digital Audio, Quicksilver, and Mirrored Door (MDD) models, in other words, ANY 4X AGP PowerMac G4. Yep, this card will work in any 4X AGP PowerMac G4 model and is not ATI's Mac/PEECEE Radeon 9600 which is slower, alot more expensive, and does not work in any Quicksilver or Digital Audio model Macs according to ATI. Well evidently, Apple knows their Powermac G4s a LOT better than ATI does as this REAL APPLE RADEON 9600 that is completely compatible with ALL 4X AGP POWERMAC G4s! But the more important thing about this Radeon 9600 is that it's also FASTER than ATI's Radeon 9600 as well! Other places sell this card for less money, but no one else sells a 400+MHz XT SPEED model of this card. And of course this Radeon 9600 Mac video card is totally Apple Quartz Extreme enabled and much faster than that old Råge128 graphics card in MacOS X 10.3.6 Panther or 10.4.10 TIGER, and this card is also MacOS 10.4 CORE IMAGE SUPPORTED! meaning it is fully supported by Apple's next generation accelerated video technology! It's even supported by Apple's high-performance motion graphic design and production application Apple Motion and it is FULLY SUPPORTED BY ALL FUTURE APPLE UPDATES, so no worries about obsolescence when MacOS X 10.5 LEOPARD comes out! This card is a great upgrade for any 4X AGP Power Mac stuck with slow discontinued ATI Råge, Radeon7OOO85OOthru9OOO, or GEF0RCE234MXto52OO graphics technology. Yep, its faster than them all across the board and even runs less hot! This card runs all of ATI's Radeon Smartshader II tests and has FULL ATI DISPLAYS SUPPORT, even VERSAVISION monitor rotation! Also fully compatible with Apple's Colorsync software...
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Cool, thanks all. Yeah, flashing was something I figured wouldn't be perfect. I'll be checking out the other options on here. The OWC idea sounds good, at half the price. Just shipping that always kills.
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Other World Computing has the OEM ATI 9600 Pro for $99. USD
Seems to be the best choice to me, Better than fiddling with flashed cards.

Dave
Do NOT buy this card from OWC. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I purchased the Radeon 9600 from them and had to send it back TWICE after it stopped showing video. Then after paying all those shipping costs decided that it just wasn't worth it. The card sits in my pile o computer junk....

I had better luck getting one from ebay.

Then to top it off, about a month ago, I bought a NewerTech 2.0 Ghz 7448 G4 Upgrade processor for my Quicksilver, and although the speed boost was nice, my computer kept crashing over and over.

So i did the "Chess Test" only to have the program crash up to 4 minutes into the game EVERY SINGLE TIME. When I contacted OWC, they said that there was a timing problem with the 1MB L2 cache and I should sent it back for an exchange.

I got a refund.

I think that will be the last time I buy anything from OWC.

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Yeah, I just checked the OWC one and noticed that it was only 64MB. I figure if I'm upgrading I'd like at least 128. I'll keep an eye on that ebay seller.

Also, wouldn't mind buying somewhere in town. I see that Carbon has the 256MB version in stock. Any others lying around?
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Whatever you get make sure it had Mac on the box otherwise it may not work or act weard. OWC has great deals and also check New Egg and Tigger Drect.
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