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Old Feb 23rd, 2008, 11:23 AM   #1
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Angry Heads up Mail search/Spotlight mail search problem

We given my volume of mail - mail searches are critical to me.

I've been wrestling for a week or so with what I thought was a minor maintenance hiccup but which appears to be a serious bug in Leopard for those that are heavy mail users.

After muddling about myself I decided a search was i order and quite a few have the same problem and so far there appears no complete solution.

A google on Leopard's Spotlight doesn't search Mail messages gets lots of hits

Apple - Support - Discussions - Mail Won't Search ...

Apple - Support - Discussions - Spotlight does not search Mail messages ...

Initially neither Spotlight nor Mail would find info inside Mail messages.
I was finally able to get a partial solution from this thread so that Spotlight works and Al Mailboxes works but the critical one for me INbox search is still MIA.

Apple - Support - Discussions - Leopard's Spotlight doesn't search Mail ...

This was the key step but PLEASE DO CURRENT CLONED BACKUP FIRST

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Enter the following line in the terminal to have Spotlight import your messages:

mdimport ~/Library/Mail
Once this rebuild occurred ( it took a long time with my mail structure ) then Spotlight was fine and All Mailboxes was fine.

Still no luck on InBox find

Just to make this clear here is the problem in Mail

Click on All mailboxes - up pops the items



Click on Inbox - nothing even tho obviously a couple of the messages are current.



Go to Spotlight and there they are tho this was not the case when I started this rigamarole.




It also appears from one poster that you have to repeat themdimport ~/Library/Mail command whenever new mail is added

something busted and DO PLEASE look at the threads before suggesting solutions as dozens of people well versed have come up empty handed.

Here's a rather complete list of the topics

Topic : Spotlight does not search Mail messages
Apple - Support - Discussions - Spotlight does not search Mail messages ...
Topic : Search "Entire Message" returns "0 Found" in mailboxes
Apple - Support - Discussions - Search "Entire Message" returns "0 ...
Topic : Spotlight died on me
Apple - Support - Discussions - Spotlight died on me ...
Topic : I can't search through my inbox!
Apple - Support - Discussions - I can't search through my inbox! ...
Topic : Leopard's Spotlight doesn't search Mail messages
Apple - Support - Discussions - Leopard's Spotlight doesn't search Mail ...
Topic : Mail Search
Apple - Support - Discussions - Mail Search ...
Topic : Mail Won't Search
Apple - Support - Discussions - Mail Won't Search ...
Topic : Search does not work
Apple - Support - Discussions - Search does not work ...
Topic : Mail search not working
Apple - Support - Discussions - Mail search not working ...
Topic : Unable to Search Mailbox
Apple - Support - Discussions - Unable to Search Mailbox ...
Topic : Why is Search in Mail.app busted?
Apple - Support - Discussions - Why is Search in Mail.app busted? ...
Topic : Mail Search comes up empty
Apple - Support - Discussions - Mail Search comes up empty ...
Topic : Search "Entire Message" not working with Smart Mailboxes?
Apple - Support - Discussions - Search "Entire Message" not working ...
Topic : Mail searches yield no results! Smart mailboxes also yield no results!
Apple - Support - Discussions - Mail searches yield no results! Smart ...
Topic : 10.5.2 Mail.app search still not working (Entire Message)
Apple - Support - Discussions - 10.5.2 Mail.app search still not ...

Obviously, something is broken.



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Old Feb 23rd, 2008, 12:13 PM   #2
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Mail search

What I have resorted to doing when what I want is in mail, is doing the search in the mail program. Seems to work fine when you do that - hope they fix spotlight soon as this is annoying.

EDIT: Removed Quote in order to help readability of thread. No original content was harmed in the amputation. ;-)

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Um can you remove the quote - it's unneeded and confusing thanks. Just leave the comment.



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sorry i have nothing to contribute, but i hate it when people quote whole opening posts especially when they are long and already confusing. You're in the thread, we know who you're replying to already!
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I wonder how many of the users experiencing problems are diddling with anything they ought not to be, because on my Leopard machine it finds mail messages just fine based on content.

I wonder what is causing the issues?

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I am with PB - thousands of messages across several accounts and folders and Spotlight finds what I want based on content without issue. I wonder what the differences are between my Mail and the problem ones.
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That is what people are puzzling about - some have delved in pretty deeply with no success.

I mean on mine it works in Spotlight now, works in All Mailboxes but not in inBox - and that seems to be the main bug.
It almost seems to be some property of the inBox.

That said there have been pretty continuous reports of Spotlight having incomplete searches and Spotlight and Mail are harnessed together in the OS so perhaps it's some directory issue.

I noticed the V100 folder for Spotlight cannot be modified even with a permission change and Spotless mentions the V100 getting corrupted.

Maybe I'll try a migration just for clarification.
Archive and install did NOT repair the problem.



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I mean on mine it works in Spotlight now, works in All Mailboxes but not in inBox - and that seems to be the main bug.
It almost seems to be some property of the inBox.
But it works 100% for me.

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I noticed the V100 folder for Spotlight cannot be modified even with a permission change and Spotless mentions the V100 getting corrupted.

Maybe I'll try a migration just for clarification.
Archive and install did NOT repair the problem.
You're didling with the ".Spotlight-V100" folder? The hidden folder you're not really supposed to be diddling with? See, this is what i am wondering: What other diddling might the people experiencing problems be doing?

It's odd that an archive and install might not solve the problem, but then again there are a lot of things that archive and install doesn't replace.
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I have never had a problem and I have 11, 740 mail messages stored.

One thing I DON'T have is almost 3000 messages in my Inbox! Wowzers!

Has this been investigated as a potential reason for the problem. I don't think Apple envisioned this "style" of housekeeping....

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You're didling with the ".Spotlight-V100" folder? The hidden folder you're not really supposed to be diddling with? See, this is what i am wondering: What other diddling might the people experiencing problems be doing?
oh spare me - did you actually read the links or just being a puerile nuisance as usual.

I could care less if it works 100% for you a single anecdote when many others have the identical issue is meaningless and unhelpful....like your post.

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It has nothing to do with volume and 3,000 messages is less than 30 days volume for me.
My mailboxes are broken up every two months and go back to 2003.
There has been some issues reported with individual mailboxes with much higher numbers.

I can also confirm that the indexing fails to refresh so that new posts after the repair procedure do not show up in any search by content.

I'll run mdimport ~/Library/Mail again and I suspect the current ones will be there to find.



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