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CubaMark Nov 10th, 2020 08:10 PM

New Macs (10 Nov 2020)
 
Remember when this forum was all about the Mac? How were were all excited about upcoming Apple events, speculating about the new gear, arguing specs... What happened to us? :confused:


Apple's 10 November Event released a bunch of new things, but it all centred around the new Apple Silicon M1 chip.

New Macs with the M1 inside:

MacBook Air

MacBook Pro 13"

MacMini

Big Sur is coming out on Thursday, 12 Nov.

Here's the video of today's event.

HowEver Nov 10th, 2020 08:41 PM

These are exciting Macs and exciting times!

But I want to see how these run first.. before wading in.

Is anyone buying now?

polywog Nov 11th, 2020 06:57 AM

Agreed CubaMark, it's sad.

Really, really like the new gear, though I was hoping for an M1 iMac, so I might wait a while for that. I just like the AIO route, and have no need of another laptop. That said, despite the presentation being done in pandemic mode (I miss the crowd reactions) I have to admit I found this as exciting as some of the reveals around 2007-2011. Feels like something brand new.

My only concern is upgradability. The M1 Mac mini seems to top out at 16GB RAM, and I'm not sure that you can augment that after purchase.

EDIT: Seems 16GB is the most the current architecture supports.

"Thereís another reason Apple isnít taking its traditional approach of charging customers a hefty premium to include more RAM in their MacBooks: it canít. Currently, the M1 cannot support more than 16GB of memory."

wonderings Nov 11th, 2020 10:09 AM

I like the battery life in the laptops but after that I am just not thrilled by any of it. Still outrageous prices if you need 512 gigs of hard drive space which is nothing these days and should not cost what Apple charges. I bought an M1 SSD 1 TB for around $105 CDN from a name brand a year and a half ago. Why is Apple charing a premium price of $250 to get to 512 gigs? I am sure on paper it is faster but when you are not talking pro level computers with a limitation of 16 gigs of ram there should not be this high markup. For a base level MacBook Pro 13" you are paying $2000K just to have one with a 512 gig hard drive.

I am curious to see how Apple's chips work and perform. Apple generally does good with their own hardware using their own software/OS so hopefully some great things there.

I am not ready to jump into pure 64 bit architecture. Unfortunately I have a few small apps that I use regularly that are not updated and possible will never be. Yes I will eventually have to leave them behind but the updates to the OS are hardly exciting these days and I have been content being a few versions behind. This coming from a guy who was an early adopter for each and every OS X update right from 10.0.

Also Apple's refusal to do any upgrades to your computer after you bought it is horrible and leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I think about the company I used to extol and recommend to friends and family. Apple has pushed to far in their designs while ignoring little things like RAM and HD upgrades. Other companies seem to have no issues with razor thin computers and they don't seem to have this issue. I have not watched the event yet and possibly won't. The glory days of Apple and the excitement of an event are gone for me. While I still love tech and where it is going, Apple is just not that interesting anymore.

CubaMark Nov 11th, 2020 10:55 AM

Personally, I get turned off a bit by the hyperbole and the endless descriptors aimed at generating "wow" but just leave me cringing... The pandemic-era events are certainly slicker than much that has gone before, but we have lost that sense of the magician on the stage revealing the latest & greatest with "showmanship". We all like a bit of theatre, eh?

My son's 2009 iMac is hitting its limit, particularly in terms of its GPU, for the current games he would like to play, and as he grows his expectations / frustrations will grow as well. So on that front, the MacMini is tempting. 16gb of RAM should be fine for most things for a few years yet.

That said, wonderings' criticism of upgradability and the price of internal components that shouldn't be charged a premium is right on the money. Frustrating. Glad I did the research and went for my 27" iMac instead of the non-RAM-upgradable 21.5-inch model.

polywog Nov 11th, 2020 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 2728926)
That said, wonderings' criticism of upgradability and the price of internal components that shouldn't be charged a premium is right on the money. Frustrating. Glad I did the research and went for my 27" iMac instead of the non-RAM-upgradable 21.5-inch model.

I agree, but to be fair, it's SoC, so there's not a lot of room for EURPs. I don't feel it's an arbitrary choice to limit users in this case.

wonderings Nov 11th, 2020 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 2728926)
Personally, I get turned off a bit by the hyperbole and the endless descriptors aimed at generating "wow" but just leave me cringing... The pandemic-era events are certainly slicker than much that has gone before, but we have lost that sense of the magician on the stage revealing the latest & greatest with "showmanship". We all like a bit of theatre, eh?

My son's 2009 iMac is hitting its limit, particularly in terms of its GPU, for the current games he would like to play, and as he grows his expectations / frustrations will grow as well. So on that front, the MacMini is tempting. 16gb of RAM should be fine for most things for a few years yet.

That said, wonderings' criticism of upgradability and the price of internal components that shouldn't be charged a premium is right on the money. Frustrating. Glad I did the research and went for my 27" iMac instead of the non-RAM-upgradable 21.5-inch model.


I thought I was venting a little to much so I left that out of my initial post. No one likes some preaching how righteous they are and Apple does that beyond the cringe level. All this talk of helping people and giving back yet the only people who really can afford their products or those well financially. I really wish Apple would get out of the creative element and focus on tools for real world working creatives. They are so out of touch which is shown in their Mac Pro lineup. Great machine for sure but for a niche market in the creative community.

polywog Nov 11th, 2020 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wonderings (Post 2728930)
They are so out of touch which is shown in their Mac Pro lineup. Great machine for sure but for a niche market in the creative community.

To be honest, I was refreshed with the Mac Pro, especially after years of hobbling that line, and the MacBook Pro line. It's a powerhouse machine aimed at (some) pros. I'll never own one, because my career path doesn't overlap their target audience. But at least it wasn't yet another designed for the masses as we've seen for near going on a decade.

wonderings Nov 11th, 2020 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polywog (Post 2728946)
To be honest, I was refreshed with the Mac Pro, especially after years of hobbling that line, and the MacBook Pro line. It's a powerhouse machine aimed at (some) pros. I'll never own one, because my career path doesn't overlap their target audience. But at least it wasn't yet another designed for the masses as we've seen for near going on a decade.

I agree it is a beast but not developed for a wider market of pros. I am a pro user, I make my living working with Adobe Indesign, Illustrator and Photoshop. I like my 5K iMac but it would be nice to have a little more flexibility with upgradeability. If I go with a base model Mac Pro I am looking at $7500 before taxes. So really there is nothing from Apple that has some user upgradeability options at a reasonable price. I can do a well sorted out iMac 5K with good specs for half but lose any upgradeability beyond RAM. There is middle no middle ground. I do not remember if that prices for the Dual G4's and 5's were that astronomically high when they came out so maybe this is Apple just doing what they always did, but I am thinking they have just gone up in price as they have done with the phones. Slap the word pro on a iPhone and charge a crazy premium.

I was trying to get a Dual G4 running a few months ago and forgot how great those builds were. It really showed off Apple's design prowess. Now we have a really powerful cheese grater.

18m2 Nov 11th, 2020 01:10 PM

Quote:

Big Sur is coming out on Thursday, 12 Nov.
I have the Beta version of Big Sur and don't care for it. An example is, notifications that appear on screen can not be delayed for any future time other than what is a default. The default seems to 15 minutes. Both Mail and my Day One programs fail to fully open with one click on the icon in the dock. A second click and often multiple clicks are necessary to open the program's window.

Sometimes it seems Apple wants to change things just to make them different without making them better or easier.

My old 13" laptop works just fine but I'll watch and listen for information on the new chip set.


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