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Old Nov 20th, 2020, 01:04 PM   #21
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Apple Music and its services is sucking up 2.5GB on my Mac. I'm still a bit cautious thinking that 16Gb would be adequate despite it being architecturally different. But that's probably just me thinking in current terms.
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Old Nov 21st, 2020, 06:35 PM   #22
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well 7 years away from here, nice to see some discussion actually about Macs! Ill bee waiting a looooong time before heading into the apple silicon, though it's neat to see the improvements to processor and GPU performances. I have a 2017 27 iMac as my main studio recording machine atm, I have hooked up about 15k worth of universal audio racks to it and have a crap ton of plugins with pro tools, there's no way the audio world will be compatible with that system for at least a year minimum. Perhaps by then we'll see some serious performance gains with maybe the M3?
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Old Nov 22nd, 2020, 03:13 PM   #23
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... there's no way the audio world will be compatible with that system for at least a year minimum. Perhaps by then we'll see some serious performance gains with maybe the M3?
Why not? If it uses a standard hardware interface, that's covered. And rosetta 2 should deal with any apps/plugins that aren't immediately ported to universal apps.

I'm picturing the first couple of years with the M series processors and being quite like the early iPhones or iPads. Major leaps between each concurrent hardware version.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2020, 03:56 PM   #24
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Why not? If it uses a standard hardware interface, that's covered. And rosetta 2 should deal with any apps/plugins that aren't immediately ported to universal apps.

I'm picturing the first couple of years with the M series processors and being quite like the early iPhones or iPads. Major leaps between each concurrent hardware version.
Not for a mission critical pro audio system at this time. Not for a while. And I am told the new rosetta won't help most pro audio plugin/softwares for a while. Very little (none of mine) is qualified for Big Sur and may not be for a while. I think if you have a 'prosumer' setup, maybe logic, sub $1500 audio interface cheapie, not many 3rd party plugins and it's a home system, you may get there soon. My system has multiple $5k interfaces cascading into each other for pro tools and about $8k in audio plugins for a mission critical system I record for releases, so its a hard no for some time. Most pro audio guys I know are even still on seirra, Im on Mojave and that's considered 'progressive' in this world. Pro audio is notoriously slow to adapt, and a lot can go wrong very quickly. I don't even install security/OS updates until months after if at all as any change can cause serious crap. I had to re-lay a CCCed copy of my system after the last disastrous Mojave OS update. That cost me almost 2 days...

Having said that, Im stoked about what a 3rd gen system with this new processor will be like for audio as I think it'll be incredible at that point. Id love a 32 core system with 256 gigs of ram thanks! Just imagine...
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Some real-world testing of the new M1 MacMini shows rather astounding results... performance + low power consumption + low heat (and ergo, no fan noise). This video covers Logic Pro, FCPX, Bruce, etc.

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FWIW I ultimately decided to resist the urge to trade in and go M1. I really do like my current MacBook Pro and there are some things I do with it that might not be currently possible with an M1 Mac. I'm a bit of a retro computing hobbyist and some of the command line tools I use like cross-compilers for older chips like the Z80 won't work on Apple Silicon just yet (or maybe ever). Boot Camp is not an option for M1 Macs either.
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Old Nov 27th, 2020, 09:35 AM   #27
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Probably a good call joltguy. I wonder if a Windows10 ARM build is forthcoming, and if that would pave the way for boot camp? Though that wouldn't solve your problem.

When rumours started of Apple going with their own processors, I'd always assumed there would be a transition with both processors present in some form, so as to not alienate dual booters etc. I found their approach interesting, and it's a lot clearer why they moved to dump 32bit support.
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Old Nov 27th, 2020, 10:16 AM   #28
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... I'm a bit of a retro computing hobbyist and some of the command line tools I use like cross-compilers for older chips like the Z80 won't work on Apple Silicon just yet (or maybe ever).
Part of me would really like to know if a compiler built for Mac on Intel could run under Rosetta2 and output functional code for a Z80!

I have not read anywhere that Rosetta2 has been unable to run any specific piece of x86 code. Dammed amazing.

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Not something I'm particularly interested in, but if I'm reading this right, it seems a good possibility:

ARM Windows virtualization achieved on Apple Silicon via QEMU (Reddit)
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Old Nov 27th, 2020, 01:44 PM   #30
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Not something I'm particularly interested in, but if I'm reading this right, it seems a good possibility:

ARM Windows virtualization achieved on Apple Silicon via QEMU (Reddit)
Pretty sure Microsoft has had Windows 10 running on ARM for a few years.

I stopped using Bootcamp years ago as I find it simpler and easier to run in Parallels which gets backed up with Time Machine. I don't need the horsepower of natively running Windows on my Mac and think most people would be more then fine with virtualization rather then native install on a partition.
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