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Old Jul 10th, 2020, 02:07 AM   #1
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I’m running 10.13.6 for the simple reason it runs APFS. And honestly, I think I should’ve stuck with 10.12 running a real MacOS: MacOS Extended (Journaled). Trade monopoly rules may just make that happen for consumer protection.

It will be a matter of time before I switch to a 16” MBP, the kind with a stupid touchbar & no effing ports (unless they give it a serious rethink, though I have my doubts). We real Mac people don’t care much about thinner & lighter (that’s just greedy), we want user-upgradeable, functional Macs.

Now, there’s no doubt the Unix-based OS X was a great improvement for stability and compatibility over OS 9. But there is no way I want to switch to FrankenOS. We’re okay with being fenced-in by the Apple ecosystem but they have no need to tighten the noose.

I have Notifications shut permanently off (do you really need to know any of that nonsense in real time?!?), made my iPhone 5c stupid (who wants to read the Internet on a postage stamp!?!), will NEVER adopt the Internet of Things, and have no interest in convergence. And Siri can take a hike! I don’t want iOS, padOS (even every month), watchOS. All these are just scams to part us from our money with shinier expensive kit.

I want a real Mac OS which works like a Mac! IMNHO, ideally, I’d like my Mac OS to run 32-bit and even PowerPC applications. I run a lot of GREAT legacy apps. Unfortunately, the new crew is running Apple into the ground. No vision since Steve Jobs.

I want my files to sit right where I put them, not some virtual alias. So NO Mojave, Catalina, Big Sur—HA!

I’ll probably wait to buy until MBPs come with a second iteration of ARM processors. I’m not the early adopter type unless my present MBP dies. But I sure miss my dead 17-inch. Size matters!

My question is, any guesses as to how long I can keep running Sierra or High Sierra on the newest Macs???

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Old Jul 10th, 2020, 09:12 AM   #2
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With no mean intentions, honestly, my first thought when reading that post was:

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Old Jul 10th, 2020, 05:00 PM   #3
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My question is, any guesses as to how long I can keep running Sierra or High Sierra on the newest Macs???

I have no idea, but probably for quite some time, and besides it seems like you don't like any of the latest stuff so why even bother.

You can do it as I do with my 2011 iMac that has pretty well all the ports and drives I need and can run some older software in Snow Leopard 10.6.8, especially with Rosetta installed, right up to Maximum MacOS X 10.13.x., but I prefer to run using Mavericks 10.9.5 where I can do pretty well what I need to do and can still do a fair bit of customization.

I want to use a Mac that I can control and use pretty much the way I want.

I can really can't imagine paying out big bucks for newer Mac that does less for me and is almost completely locked down Into an Apple controlled box, and you could also do the same. And it's called choice.

PS: I don't even use a "smart" iPhone, but do have and use an old "dumb" Samsung Flip/Phone that costs me about $25.00 a year to operate for my low usage. ;-)



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Old Jul 10th, 2020, 11:23 PM   #4
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Jeez, thanks, Mark! I can always get lots of support at EhMac, eh!
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Old Jul 10th, 2020, 11:26 PM   #5
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I have no idea, but probably for quite some time, and besides it seems like you don't like any of the latest stuff so why even bother.======
Not exactly, Patrick. What I like is real estate. I paid to fix that old 17inch too many times to count.

That's why I'm thinking of buying a 16".

My question was, think I'll be able to run 10.12 (one of my favourites) or 10.13 on it well into the future without being handcuffed to Apple's convergence model?
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Old Jul 11th, 2020, 10:07 AM   #6
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No comment on your post just a thought that you might want to build a USB installer of the choice OS you want in case it becomes invisible in the future - they have been making old software disappear so it may be difficult to find older OS that are not disk based...
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Jeez, thanks, Mark! I can always get lots of support at EhMac, eh!
It was with no hurtful intentions - a good rant is always a way to get a conversation going

I can't say I've ever needed to install a version of macOS that is lower than the one it shipped with, but I imagine that the installer wouldn't be too keen to do so.

10.12 is rather long in the tooth... I've held position with 10.14 since catalina seems to (still) have more issues than benefits to me. I will likely upgrade with macOS 11 (Big Sur) hits a .1 or .2 release, shaking out the inevitable first round of bugs.

Having not had a laptop with the touchbar, I can only comment that it still seems more gimmicky than useful. Those who have touchbar models feel free to weigh in.

The ports issue.... I'm rather torn on the matter. I have collected, as most of us have, a fairly wide arrange of peripherals that rely on the standard (infuriating) USB 1/2/3 connector. My 2018 iMac 27" has a couple of USB-C connectors, which I so far use as charging ports for my iPhone, and the other has an adapter to... USB 1/2/3. Eventually I'll add more USB-C / Thunderbolt devices, starting with thumb drives (those models that combine the new and old ports to ensure I can use it pretty much anywhere).

But software-wise... eventually you may find it's more effort to keep things working than to transition. I remember when one of Apple's software transitions (might have been PPC to Intel, I don't recall) kaboshed my favourite-ever scanner, and old CanoScan USB-powered flatbed that I used for my genealogy visits to family members, safeguarding old photos. I battled with drivers for a long time...

That said, I know the thrill of making old hardware "talk" to newer gear. My office had no budget to buy me a new laserprinter, so I raided the obsolete gear closet, and found an HP LaserJet 1100. No way would it talk to my office iMac (running... Sierra, I think?). I wasted hours digging through possibilities, hitting forums, pulling my hair out, before finally making it work (almost flawlessly) with a hacked linux printer driver. Elation! And then recognition of the hours of time I threw at the problem...

I'm rambling. I'll end by simply stating that Apple as a company has no great preoccupation with ensuring backward compatibility beyond the minimum required to keep customers on the hook, and a definite need as a company that must deliver to shareholders ever-increasing profits. They need people to retire old gear and buy new products. The profit-seeking behaviour will always trump any desires by users to remain stationary.
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My question was, think I'll be able to run 10.12 (one of my favourites) or 10.13 on it well into the future without being handcuffed to Apple's convergence model?

I can't see any problems of running either OS version as long as they are working properly for you now, they will probably still work for you 10 years from now, and maybe more.

I'm still running Mavericks 10.9.5 'cause I don't like some of the lack of features the later Mac OSs removed and it still works well for me.




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Well now, this is interesting. Links in the story to a PowerPC forum, etc., that may be of interest to you:

Arm-Intel-PowerPC Universal Binaries are Possible (MacRumors)
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