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Old Jun 13th, 2019, 08:07 AM   #21
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Would be nice but getting into the iMac looks complicated. I did a hard drive upgrade in a 2006 iMac and yea not sure if Iíd do that again. Weíll see.

I might defer my decision for a little bit.

Just wondering, is RAM still important with SSDs?

I had a local computer shop do it. Apple won't do it so found a certified repair shop that was happy to swap an SSD for the traditional hard drive that it came with.

Both RAM and an SSD will serve different purposes, but important and both relatively cheap to upgrade.
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Old Jun 13th, 2019, 10:13 AM   #22
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Would be nice but getting into the iMac looks complicated. I did a hard drive upgrade in a 2006 iMac and yea not sure if Iíd do that again. Weíll see.

I might defer my decision for a little bit.

Just wondering, is RAM still important with SSDs?
If you donít have adequate RAM for the task at hand, youíll start using swap space (on the drive.) Swap will be faster on an SSD than a hard drive for sure, but no where near as fast as RAM. Given the limited write cycles for an SSD, I assume youíd also increase the lifetime of the SSD when thereís adequate RAM.

Also, unused RAM (by applications) gets used by the OS to cache files. So, many operations a much faster when you increase RAM, because applications and data can be read back out from RAM rather than the drive itself.
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Old Jun 13th, 2019, 11:29 AM   #23
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Ok. Well if I go 16GB, I canít take advantage of that $1599 price so Iím looking at $1969, a whopping $370 for an extra 8 GB of RAM. None of the 13 inch models came standard in 16 GB so if I go refurb, itís a crapshoot. I bought an 11 inch Air refurb for my wife which happened to have 4 GB of ram instead of the standard 2 which was a nice surprise but I wouldnít count on it. Hm.

Then as I approach that $2000 barrier, Iím thinking I should just go with a quad core unit which is a $670 jump but also includes double the storage, had two more thunderbolt ports, and of course Touch Bar and ID. I just need to work an extra project and Iím good to go.

Decisions decisions.
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Old Jun 13th, 2019, 11:42 AM   #24
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Ok. Well if I go 16GB, I canít take advantage of that $1599 price so Iím looking at $1969, a whopping $370 for an extra 8 GB of RAM. None of the 13 inch models came standard in 16 GB so if I go refurb, itís a crapshoot. I bought an 11 inch Air refurb for my wife which happened to have 4 GB of ram instead of the standard 2 which was a nice surprise but I wouldnít count on it. Hm.

Then as I approach that $2000 barrier, Iím thinking I should just go with a quad core unit which is a $670 jump but also includes double the storage, had two more thunderbolt ports, and of course Touch Bar and ID. I just need to work an extra project and Iím good to go.

Decisions decisions.
Yes it is really crazy and few seem to care about the price gouging. CNET has an article today on some MacBook Air alternatives

https://www.cnet.com/news/best-macbo...ives-for-2019/
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Old Jun 13th, 2019, 11:49 AM   #25
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Iíll tell you the tale of two laptops in 2010. Dell Vostro vs. Apple MacBook Pro. Both about $1300. I decided to go with Dell. By 2012, the Vostroís battery was dead and a tech was being sent out every 6 months to replace the hard drive controller. It had almost no resale value by that time. I ended up buying a used 2010 13Ē MacBook Pro for $600 that was a breath of fresh air. By 2014 I didnít need that MacBook Pro anymore so I sold it for $600, albeit with more memory. I remind myself of that story as a reason not to go PC laptop ever again, although I do enjoy building PC desktops.
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Old Jun 13th, 2019, 11:54 AM   #26
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Iíll tell you the tale of two laptops in 2010. Dell Vostro vs. Apple MacBook Pro. Both about $1300. I decided to go with Dell. By 2012, the Vostroís battery was dead and a tech was being sent out every 6 months to replace it. It had almost no resale value by that time. I ended up buying a used 2010 13Ē MacBook Pro for $600 that was a breath of fresh air. By 2014 I didnít need that MacBook Pro anymore so I sold it for $600, albeit with more memory. I remind myself of that story as a reason not to go PC laptop ever again, although I do enjoy building PC desktops.
I would have agreed with you in 2010, today is a different story. Your 2010 MacBook pro let you change the hard drive, let you upgrade the RAM YOURSELF! Todays Apple laptops are not upgradeable. Yes you can upgrade the SSD flash drive Apple uses for a significant price over a standard SSD drive. As I have mentioned before, next time I need a laptop I will be expanding my search beyond Apple because I do not feel the value of the OS alone is worth it anymore and mix that with no upgrading options leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Old Jun 13th, 2019, 12:37 PM   #27
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Ok. Well if I go 16GB, I canít take advantage of that $1599 price so Iím looking at $1969, a whopping $370 for an extra 8 GB of RAM. None of the 13 inch models came standard in 16 GB so if I go refurb, itís a crapshoot. I bought an 11 inch Air refurb for my wife which happened to have 4 GB of ram instead of the standard 2 which was a nice surprise but I wouldnít count on it. Hm.

Then as I approach that $2000 barrier, Iím thinking I should just go with a quad core unit which is a $670 jump but also includes double the storage, had two more thunderbolt ports, and of course Touch Bar and ID. I just need to work an extra project and Iím good to go.

Decisions decisions.
Personally if only once choice (More ram/larger storage) these days Iíd opt for RAM. USB-C SSDs are very cheap, and perform amazingly well. Of course that means a bit of a juggling act.

Then again, Iíd rather opt for something I can replace the RAM in myself. Which is why I went with the 27Ē 2017 iMac. If the option of upgrading ram goes away on future models, it will probably be my last Apple computer.
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Old Jun 13th, 2019, 01:27 PM   #28
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Personally if only once choice (More ram/larger storage) these days Iíd opt for RAM. USB-C SSDs are very cheap, and perform amazingly well. Of course that means a bit of a juggling act.

Then again, Iíd rather opt for something I can replace the RAM in myself. Which is why I went with the 27Ē 2017 iMac. If the option of upgrading ram goes away on future models, it will probably be my last Apple computer.
Funny how we thought Apple was limited in the past with only being able to upgrade the RAM and Hard drive compared to everything you can do on a PC. Guess Apple really does "Think Different"
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Apple needs to just start selling all devices with maxed out RAM..
Listen, this is what the board will handle ergo this is the ram you get, and it costs this much (at a better price then only top end). End of story, end of argument about replaceable or self upgradeable


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Apple needs to just start selling all devices with maxed out RAM..
Listen, this is what the board will handle ergo this is the ram you get, and it costs this much (at a better price then only top end). End of story, end of argument about replaceable or self upgradeable


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But moves the cost upfront... I got the base 8GB, and bided my time for a sale on 2x8GB sticks. And had the iMac paid off by then.
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