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eMacMan Jun 1st, 2019 10:25 AM

Finally!
 
https://www.seattlepi.com/entertainm...s-13911844.php

Of course since I won't be updating to Apple's latest and greatest OS anytime soon, I won't benefit, but this change is way past being overdue.

Quote:

It’s the end of a music era. Nearly two decades after launching iTunes and ripping up the retail-store model of album purchases, Apple is ready to retire the iconic product, according to Bloomberg. During the software keynote at its annual Worldwide Developers Conference in San Jose, California next Monday, the tech giant is set to replace iTunes with standalone music, television and podcast apps.

The move, which has been rumored for years now, will align Apple’s media strategy across the board: iPhones and iPads already offer separate Music, TV and Podcast apps in lieu of the centralized iTunes app that lives on Macs and Macbooks. Users can expect the new Music app to offer some of the same functionalities that iTunes currently does — such as purchasing songs and syncing phones — just with a sleeker interface that’s free of the outdated and oft-bemoaned features of the heritage product, and more closely bundled with streaming service Apple Music.

SINC Jun 1st, 2019 12:51 PM

Wonder how one will back up and restore iPads and iPhones without iTunes?

eMacMan Jun 1st, 2019 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SINC (Post 2692204)
Wonder how one will back up and restore iPads and iPhones without iTunes?

Given Apple's recent history, it might prove interesting.

macintosh doctor Jun 1st, 2019 02:50 PM

so what about my private collection of music and photos? i dont subscribe to cloud photo or apple music..
this is very concerning.

polywog Jun 1st, 2019 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by macintosh doctor (Post 2692212)
so what about my private collection of music and photos? i dont subscribe to cloud photo or apple music..
this is very concerning.

If they're doing what I suspect they are doing; just splitting the various functionalities into separate apps, nothing much should change but the name of what you launch for music. If they're ditching that completely, well, that'll be my cue to start looking elsewhere.

macintosh doctor Jun 1st, 2019 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polywog (Post 2692218)
If they're doing what I suspect they are doing; just splitting the various functionalities into separate apps, nothing much should change but the name of what you launch for music. If they're ditching that completely, well, that'll be my cue to start looking elsewhere.

agreed... Tim better not screw things up..

TiltAgain Jun 2nd, 2019 12:38 AM

Well, maybe after separating each function into its own app they'll bring back iSync for all the backing up and synching? I certainly hope there's a wired solution for this, because I cannot afford to spend so much money every ow and then for so much iCloud storage.

Cheers

pm-r Jun 2nd, 2019 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SINC (Post 2692204)
Wonder how one will back up and restore iPads and iPhones without iTunes?


No doubt the same way many have been doing for ages:
how to backup an ipad or iPhone without iTunes
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

And for those who wanted a better and complete backup are using iMazing.app or maybe something similar:
https://imazing.com/download

iTunes didn't even do a full reccoverable backup or probide any method to go backward as many often wanted to do, especiallyt with some of Apple's "latest and greatest" iOS versions.


- Patrick
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pm-r Jun 2nd, 2019 05:11 PM

Quote:

Of course since I won't be updating to Apple's latest and greatest OS anytime soon, I won't benefit, but this change is way past being overdue.

I wonder what bits and pieces and residue will be left for us older users left to use and who will NOT be going up to their newest and latest and greatest mac OS X??? And I think there are a fair number of us.


- Patrick
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CubaMark Jun 2nd, 2019 05:43 PM

There may be a transition period - like they did with Photos and iPhoto, being able to co-habitate on your system for a period of years...

polywog Jun 2nd, 2019 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 2692276)
There may be a transition period - like they did with Photos and iPhoto, being able to co-habitate on your system for a period of years...

I'm more concerned about a crossover like Aperture to Photos; where we knew development had stopped on Aperture and Photos didn't have a 10th the features to succeed it. I have a feeling that's where we'll be; No smart playlists, no import, etc. Hoping for the best though.

pm-r Jun 2nd, 2019 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 2692276)
There may be a transition period - like they did with Photos and iPhoto, being able to co-habitate on your system for a period of years...


Only time will tell but it doesn't really concern me, as I only have 661 songs and only one of those was paid for at the Apple iTunes music store, and oddly, I just got the receipt for it today even though I purchased it 2019-05-22, 2:44 PM. Not the speediest place for sending out receipts!!!

At least I can say I actually used and supported the Apple iTunes Music Store once before it possibly disappears. ;-)


- Patrick
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SINC Jun 3rd, 2019 06:20 AM

My experience is quite different. Last song I bought (and always have) I received a receipt the next day. Most of my music from CDs I own or borrow. Likely about 1,000 from Apple of nearly 3,000.

CubaMark Jun 3rd, 2019 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SINC (Post 2692294)
My experience is quite different. Last song I bought (and always have) I received a receipt the next day. .

I thought that Apple's delayed issuing of purchase receipts was intended to provide a window in which other purchases, if they happened, would be combined - so that a one-song purchase didn't have to mean a $1.19 charge on your credit card (and IIRC, Apple's success came in pioneering those kinds of micro-charges with iTunes).

SINC Jun 3rd, 2019 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CubaMark (Post 2692296)
I thought that Apple's delayed issuing of purchase receipts was intended to provide a window in which other purchases, if they happened, would be combined - so that a one-song purchase didn't have to mean a $1.19 charge on your credit card (and IIRC, Apple's success came in pioneering those kinds of micro-charges with iTunes).

I have never used my credit card on iTunes or the App Store for that matter. Would not share that info with Apple. I simply buy iTunes gift cards and keep around $30 in my account to cover purchases. When it gets low I add another $25 to it.

robert Jun 3rd, 2019 09:43 AM

well, they already peeled off ibooks from itunes so the others shouldn't be a problem.

I manage my ibooks and when I sinc itunes, they show up fine.

I like the idea of separate apps as I don't use music or podcasts with my ATV.

JAMG Jun 3rd, 2019 12:31 PM

They are just trying to push people with older Macs and OS's into upgrading by making your current or new iphones incompatible.
My iPhone 6s cannot connect to anything on my Snow Leopard iMac. I used to beable to use Image Capture to download Photos and video but that was taken away a few years ago.
**** 'em... Download them at the office.

pm-r Jun 3rd, 2019 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAMG (Post 2692306)
They are just trying to push people with older Macs and OS's into upgrading by making your current or new iphones incompatible.
My iPhone 6s cannot connect to anything on my Snow Leopard iMac. I used to beable to use Image Capture to download Photos and video but that was taken away a few years ago.
**** 'em... Download them at the office.



I'm not disagreeing with your comments, but maybe start a new separate thread with your specific problems as far as your iPhone 6s cannot connect to anything on my Snow Leopard iMac goes.

Often there are workarounds or third-party software to overcome most problems, but I will sure agree that Apple etc, does not make it easy.

I just came across a similar situation with friend's Sonos Speaker apparently no longer available unless she bought a newer iPhone or iPod to get it working again with a new replacement router she had to get.

The good news is I located some third-party software that looks like it should work with her old iPod, and it has some very good, recent reviews.

So there is usually a way around the problem. But not always. :-(



- Patrick
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JAMG Jun 3rd, 2019 06:22 PM

My work around was to keep my iPhone 4S without the sim card as an iPod. No wifi, No internet. works like new and the battery last for days instead of hours and I don't have to replace lightning cords that break every 3 months.


They don't make them like that any more. Apple no longer sees value in products that last. Too busy getting us to line up for the new shiny thing... Meh!

Macfury Jun 3rd, 2019 07:39 PM

I just fired up an old iPhone 4S to give to my kid this morning!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JAMG (Post 2692364)
My work around was to keep my iPhone 4S without the sim card as an iPod. No wifi, No internet. works like new and the battery last for days instead of hours and I don't have to replace lightning cords that break every 3 months.


They don't make them like that any more. Apple no longer sees value in products that last. Too busy getting us to line up for the new shiny thing... Meh!


hexdiy Jun 4th, 2019 01:16 AM

RIP iTunes?

Will not be of my concern, have hated it all along!

I have a huge sound library (42GB huge like, every repair job coming into my place gets robbed of its sound lib, on mutual consent..., have bought only 1 song in my entire career).

As to an iTunes replacement, have you had a look at Vox Music player?

https://vox.rocks/mac-music-player

As to an iTunes replacement for software distribution on elderly iDevices, have you had a look on:
- iMazing:
https://imazing.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobC...SAAEgIQwvD_BwE

- Dr. Fone repair:
https://drfone.wondershare.com/itunes-repair.html

- MacXMediatrans:
https://macx-mediatrans.en.uptodown.com/mac

Bye bye, iTunes. Or do we need your code library?

joltguy Jun 8th, 2019 07:45 AM

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Looks like syncing, backup, and restore are all moving to the Finder.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210200

pm-r Jun 8th, 2019 02:14 PM

Quote:

As to an iTunes replacement for software distribution on elderly iDevices, have you had a look on:
- iMazing:
https://imazing.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobC...SAAEgIQwvD_BwE

I would definitelt highly recommend having and using a copy of iMazing regardless of the age of one's iDevice,

And iMazing is currently ON SALE — Ending In: 5 days — $19.99 (normally $89.98) 77% off by DigiDNA

You can get the deal here:
https://www.macheist.com/sales/imazi...-mac-windows-5

NOTE: I am not associated with the developers or the company in anyway, and Just one very satisfied iMazing user that can do way more and create a better backup and Restore than Tunes ever could.

Super SALE Ending In: 5 days!!!



- Patrick
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wonderings Jun 10th, 2019 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joltguy (Post 2692844)
Looks like syncing, backup, and restore are all moving to the Finder.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210200

Yes, they announced that at WWDC. I like that it is now independent of iTunes.

Don't think it really changes much in functionality other then not needing to open iTunes when you want to do something with your iPad or iPhone. Honestly though the only thing I did do was add movies to my iPad. Everything else is done without iTunes.


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