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Old Jan 16th, 2019, 03:17 AM   #1
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Are iPhones Overpriced?

I was having a discussion with some folks and even had a little chat on twitter about it, and I wondered mostly because of the recent conversations and statements coming from Cook how the Chinese and emerging markets were the cause of this revision of earnings/forecast.

I had to lol because emerging markets aren't the ones to depend on to purchase luxury items. All manufacturers outside of  are making a low tier phone available in these markets - which is why Android has such a strangle hold there - and I just don't see how  can change that outcome w/o lowering prices.

Now, they've apparently cut prices in China already (around 20%), and IDK about you guys, but all i've been seeing of late are ads for iPhone trade ins w/ lower priced X models etc... and they are planning a new one for 2019. Whoa. There's some chatter about whether they should bring back the SE, like an SE2. 🤷🏾*♂️

That last iPhone maxed out was just under $2000. I just don't see how this is sustainable. I know die hards who were on that yearly upgrade cycle have cut that. Personally, I just moved to a 7 Plus 1 month ago. I just didn't feel like going all out - when I didn't need to.

Feature rich as they are, I wonder if ppl are starting to hit the ceiling on costs. And this interview wasn't mega convincing either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHUz63xFyyw

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Old Jan 16th, 2019, 04:05 AM   #2
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Prices are certainly up, but, I'm glad we are past the "This is the one iPhone this year" stage. Sure, there's a $2000 iPhone, and that's great for those that can afford it. But I see it the same way as the premium priced Watches. There are equally functional cheaper models. And the distinction (unlike the 5c etc.) is that all the models this year are on equal footing at least processor wise. So the cheap model isn't a re-skinned last year model.

That said, I think they will hit a point where people won't pay what they're asking. Once those people move on it won't be easy to get them back.

One last random thought, if the price you pay after trade in, is the same price as iPhones were a couple of years ago, I see that as a somewhat good thing. Getting old devices back in and recycled is a good thing, so is providing incentive to do so. To wit, I traded in my iPhone 8+ to get an XR. I effectively payed $0 for the device (plan notwithstanding). Actually I had $100 or so of credit, so I got a fast charger with the change.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2019, 05:08 AM   #3
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I have an iPhone 6 and it I'm only just getting the itch... So that's 6s, 7, 8, X and Xs saved on. At least $5k

I don't like the new phones: too big, too heavy and too fragile. Mostly due to 'double glass'. That's even before you factor the price in.

What most of us don't realise is that screen quality is only an improvement if width increases as well as pretty much everything is in 16x9 these days. Another cm in length does nothing for me when I already have 6 rows of icons. My wish is 3 new models: a 6 replacement and a 5SE replacement, as well as a mini phone, like Nokia did in its heyday: just enough to check email etc.
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I have an iPhone 8 Plus that I paid $1,069 for 15 months ago. Apple is offering me $445 trade value on a new model X.

Ain't gonna happen anytime soon. Far too expensive and a BS offer with severe depreciation on the 8 Plus losing 60% of its value in just over one year. Ditto for my series 2 watch offer of $100 trade.
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Old Jan 23rd, 2019, 09:21 AM   #5
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Apple is a premium product for sure, but I no longer see the premium value in Apple and think that premium price tag should be adjust to reflect that. Of course that is just my personal opinion. Apple talks so much about changing the world with their products and yet prices them out of so many peoples reach.

Apple is playing catchup and implementing old features that are already out dated. Wireless charging for one. There is fast wireless charging out there and has been for a few years. Does Apple use the latest greatest? No, they get enough hype for simply adding wireless charging (which I have on my XR and like, but wish it was fast). I was a die hard Apple fan, had all the products and enjoyed them, that is no longer the case.

How long will it take Apple to get rid of the notch in the phone? Already Android phones are doing away with it leaving just a small hole for the camera in the screen. 2 or 3 years till Apple goes this route?
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All trade in offers are well below market worth. The up side for some is the "not having to sell it privately" route.

I often now trade in my computers and buy a newer used model from Macdoc. Sure I could get more selling it privately, but if it isn't local, it becomes too much of a hassle. Besides, David doesn't sell me what I don't need and goes out of his way to find what I do need for the price I can afford.

I hope they bring back the SE phones as they are the perfect size for me. Then again, I use it mostly as a phone...
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When you buy that way, do you buy the bundles?

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All trade in offers are well below market worth. The up side for some is the "not having to sell it privately" route.

I often now trade in my computers and buy a newer used model from Macdoc. Sure I could get more selling it privately, but if it isn't local, it becomes too much of a hassle. Besides, David doesn't sell me what I don't need and goes out of his way to find what I do need for the price I can afford.

I hope they bring back the SE phones as they are the perfect size for me. Then again, I use it mostly as a phone...
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Old Jan 24th, 2019, 07:52 AM   #8
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Not usually, as I keep my monitors and ext. HDs , which I also get from Macdoc.

If I ever need a monitor at the same time as a computer, the bundles are a great deal.

I do have the ram and HD increased as much as possible before they ship it out to me.
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Old Feb 7th, 2019, 02:23 PM   #9
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they get away with the price because they know apple users will pay for it.
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Old Feb 21st, 2019, 04:32 PM   #10
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Well Samsung just came out with their new phones yesterday and they really seem to be attempting to do new things with their phones. Even the fold phone is neat, though not something I would be interested. What did impress was the new Galaxy S10+. No notch, they even hid the little camera portion of the screen smartly with the wallpapers they chose.

What is really interesting is they have a fingerprint sensor in the screen, I really wish Apple had come out with that. While I do like Face ID there are times and places where it is not the greatest and would be nice to have a fingerprint sensor option.

- Fast wireless charging another thing Apple should have brought to the new iPhones, it is not new technology.

- Being able to wirelessly charge another device from your device is cool, though I like it more for stacking. You could have one charger, place your phone on it and then place your AirPods on top of that to charge both at the same time. Cool option and can really cut down on cables when travelling.

- Camera looks good, though they all look good so no big surprise there.

- I do not think the phone has facial recognition which I do find surprising and seems like a step backward in terms of features

- Price... well they are more in line, it is still pricey, it is the cost of a base XS Max. The different here is Apple charges a bit more and still only gives you 64 gigs whereas the Samsung has a base model with 128 gigs which is really where Apple should have been for their flagship phone.

- usb-c charging in a phone as slim as the XS

- headphone jack again in a phone as slim as the XS

- This is the first non Apple phone that has got me interested. I have an XR that I like, but next go around if Apple does not bring anything innovative to the table I will definitely be shopping around. They are all going notchless, it will be the new trend I predict. I wonder if Apple will remain stubborn to their ways or if they will actually follow the trend.

I do like the new design and have to say it makes the new iPhones looked dated in comparison. Looks like virtually no bezel on the side of the samsungs.

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