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Old Nov 19th, 2018, 12:12 PM   #31
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I just fitted my Mac Pro 3,1 with a 1TB WD SSD to replace an older hard drive. The difference is stunning. Boot time way down, quiet and snappier in everything. The 1TB cost me $185 but lots of deals in the 500GB range. I attributed a lot of the sluggishness in web browsing to the idea that the computer and OS were simply getting older, but browsing experience has also improved remarkably.
I wonder if the difference relates to Stoplight, which nowadays also indexes webpages? Perhaps to sleepimage as well? OS X writes a mirror of the current memory to disk, to utilize should the machine be put to sleep.

I run with Stoplight, TimeMachine and sleepimage all disabled.

I've just finished running a comparison between disk and SSD version of my Snow Leopard OS. Biggest difference is chime-to-splash boot times, 9 versus 20 seconds SSD to Disk. Launching apps was a complete wash except PhotoShop Elements, 13 secs SSD versus 15 secs Disk. Log out and shutdown times were also identical, again probably because StopLight and TimeMachine are disabled.

Seems to me that the big performance boosts from SSD must have a lot to do with the continual disk writing overhead caused by those three resource hogs.

Another thing I do differently from most users is all non OS files reside on a separate partition. That makes it easier to back-up files with a simple drag and drop. Times for backing up and restoring the OS are also greatly improved. Finally from my 68040 days of memory starvation, I close apps that are not in use.

Anyways my verdict here is that I will continue to run Snow Leopard from the normal Hard drive.
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Old Nov 19th, 2018, 12:46 PM   #32
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NOTE: I also have FireFox set-up to use RAM as cache.
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Old Nov 19th, 2018, 01:58 PM   #33
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Anyways my verdict here is that I will continue to run Snow Leopard from the normal Hard drive.

I believe that Snow Leopard was also the first OS X version to actually use memory differently and more efficiently and very little support for SSDs.

PS: maybe you recall using a RAM disk in your '040 days. That could sure make things fast and I don't know why the feature seems to have disappeared.

Heck, I have as much RAM installed in my iMac now that is way larger than the hard drive sizes in my first '030/'040 Macs!!!




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Old Nov 20th, 2018, 09:42 AM   #34
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I believe that Snow Leopard was also the first OS X version to actually use memory differently and more efficiently and very little support for SSDs.

PS: maybe you recall using a RAM disk in your '040 days. That could sure make things fast and I don't know why the feature seems to have disappeared.

Heck, I have as much RAM installed in my iMac now that is way larger than the hard drive sizes in my first '030/'040 Macs!!!

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Nowadays apps like PhotoShop use memory as their scratch file, up to a point at least. Then they use a scratch disk. This is where the difference between an SSD and a normal HD becomes glaring. This newer mac Pro is running 32GBs of RAM so I have as yet to see a page out and the resulting beachball. IOW no real need for a RAM disk. I suspect most Mac users never really discovered that feature, or had enough extra RAM to properly utilize it.

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Still fine tuning El Cap, but honestly the big difference there also seems to be boot times, with shut-down time a bit reduced as well. Otherwise also seems a wash.

One huge difference is in creating the asr disk images. If they are saved to a volume on the SSD then build time is cut in half, to about 15 minutes. Since I am up to the 6th generation for El Cap that's an hour and a half potential time savings so far.

I have run one CCC clone from my laptop to the SSD via FW800. That took only 10 minutes. Really nothing to compare it to as I only created that clone as a quick back-up for the laptop, before doing some minor updates. I basically use the laptop as a pseudo TV having ditched the TV portion of the cable bill sometime past. Obviously I'm not to worried about having to start from scratch on that computer.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2018, 01:04 PM   #35
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Settled on how to best utilize the SSD. It contains my now finalized ElCap boot volume, a test partition, and the lions share is dedicated to a back-up data partition.

Easy on the spot, drag & drop back-ups when I make changes to my music or photos files or any other personal file I want to keep up to date.
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So checked the firmware on the SSD (CrucialMX500). Even though it was very recently purchased it appeared to be at least 2 maybe 3 versions behind.

So down loaded the updater, as directed burned the .iso disc image and attempted to boot from the CD "Windows partition". Simply failed to boot and asked for a boot volume.

Turns out the instructions were FuBARed. You need to boot from the "EFI Boot" partition. Doing that will put the updater on autopilot ez-peazy.

I did send a comment to the support team but surely I can't be the first to notice, so I would not expect the website instructions to be fixed in the near future.

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Further I note that burning and booting from a CD appears to be the only way to update firmware on this puppy, so best not to purchase a Crucial SSD for any of the new and improved macs that have abandoned the optical drive. If you have already done so, I would suggest using CCC or SuperDuper to clone the .iso disk image to a USB stick formatted for Mac. Then option boot from that and select the EFI Boot partition.
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Old Jan 17th, 2019, 05:53 PM   #37
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I would suggest using CCC or SuperDuper to clone the .iso disk image to a USB stick formatted for Mac. Then option boot from that and select the EFI Boot partition.

OK, I'll bite. How does one boot from an EFI Boot partition using a Mac???



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OK, I'll bite. How does one boot from an EFI Boot partition using a Mac???



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You burn a CD from the .iso disk image you down load from the site. When you boot holding down the option key besides your normal boot volume(s) you will see two CD boot volumes. One is named Windows, the other EFI boot.

The instructions for Mac OS tell you to select the one named Windows, which fails. Correct choice is Boot EFI. Once you do that the firmware update runs automatically
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You burn a CD from the .iso disk image you down load from the site. When you boot holding down the option key besides your normal boot volume(s) you will see two CD boot volumes. One is named Windows, the other EFI boot.

Thanks, I guess that gives a pretty good indication as to how small a boot system can be.

My Mavericks Disk Utility tells me that partition is only:
Partition Type : EFI Capacity : 209.7 MB (209,715,200 Bytes)

I guess we do need all the other stuff normally!!!



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Thanks, I guess that gives a pretty good indication as to how small a boot system can be.

My Mavericks Disk Utility tells me that partition is only:
Partition Type : EFI Capacity : 209.7 MB (209,715,200 Bytes)

I guess we do need all the other stuff normally!!!



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The entire double boot partition and script for the firmware update is 17MB.
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