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Old Oct 24th, 2018, 01:47 PM   #11
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I happily ran Snow Leopard for many years. Finally got used to El Capitan on my 3,1, which was required to run certain hardware.

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That's a very good point. Especially as Apple seems to be as far away from producing a real Mac Pro, as they were the day they replaced the cheese grater with the garbage can.

Personally I am more interested in being able to run Snow Leopard and some legacy software-hardware. As I understand it the firmware upgrade and Snow Leopard do not peacefully co-exist.

Besides El Cap already seems a big step backwards from Snow Leopard, and I'm not at all enthused about making it even worse. Dots instead of real labels, all so files can have multiple dots for Stoplight searches? The entire point of labels is to avoid those Stoplight searches altogether.

Obviously if I were into gaming or video editing my attitude would be entirely different.
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Old Oct 24th, 2018, 02:41 PM   #12
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This computer will primarily be used with all the things I do not do on the internet. Unless the internet is involved SL is still far superior to El Cap, especially if you have no other reason to replace various bits of hardware and software.

FWIW SL is still good enough for most websites, but some video and all live streaming goes through El Cap, mainly via our laptop or if needed a reboot on the Pro.
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This computer will primarily be used with all the things I do not do on the internet. Unless the internet is involved SL is still far superior to El Cap, especially if you have no other reason to replace various bits of hardware and software.

FWIW SL is still good enough for most websites, but some video and all live streaming goes through El Cap, mainly via our laptop or if needed a reboot on the Pro.
I recently found a dark and dusty corner on my HD that still had a copy of Netscape suitable for OS9. I clicked on the app and it was still surprisingly functional, although it was offering some news from the Chretien era.
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I recently found a dark and dusty corner on my HD that still had a copy of Netscape suitable for OS9. I clicked on the app and it was still surprisingly functional, although it was offering some news from the Chretien era.

Are you sure you weren't just connecting to the CBC site and they were just doing some current updating???

That would be about normal eh???




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Old Oct 27th, 2018, 09:17 AM   #17
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I just fitted my Mac Pro 3,1 with a 1TB WD SSD to replace an older hard drive. The difference is stunning. Boot time way down, quiet and snappier in everything. The 1TB cost me $185 but lots of deals in the 500GB range. I attributed a lot of the sluggishness in web browsing to the idea that the computer and OS were simply getting older, but browsing experience has also improved remarkably.
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I just fitted my Mac Pro 3,1 with a 1TB WD SSD to replace an older hard drive.

Good to hear that there seems to be lots of good life left in that Mac Pro, and not just to hear that the times were really fast!!!

As for older HDD spinner drives slowing/bogging down, even though defragging is suggested as not necessary on a Mac, I have found that cloning the slow drive with Carbon Copy Cloner(CCC), erasing the drive and using the zero-out option(one pass security wipe, then using CCC to clone back all the data from the previous backup clone provides a dramatic speedup.

This hint was provided by an ehMac member several times several years ago and it still works. Thank you whoever you were as I have forgotten your name.

PS: it's nice that Apple finally provided TRIM and SSD Garbage Collection support for third-party drives with their OS X Versions as it took them long enough to do so, but at least there was some other third party support available to do so.

PPS: it's also nice that a lot of the good and better SSDs have come down quite drastically in price lately.




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As for older HDD spinner drives slowing/bogging down, even though defragging is suggested as not necessary on a Mac, I have found that cloning the slow drive with Carbon Copy Cloner(CCC), erasing the drive and using the zero-out option(one pass security wipe, then using CCC to clone back all the data from the previous backup clone provides a dramatic speedup.
Not sure if this applies to APFS, since it's supposed to 'intelligently defrag' in the background.
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Not sure if this applies to APFS, since it's supposed to 'intelligently defrag' in the background.


I would avoid messing about with such formatted drive until it matures a bit more. And just skip SSDs, and that's why I said:
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