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Old Apr 7th, 2015, 07:01 PM   #1
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Yosemite sending unsolicited data to iCloud

People,
maybe we should be glad if Yosemite is not working properly. For when fully functional, it uploads all your (unfinished) documents to Apple servers/ iCloud, even if you actually don't use iCloud:
https://datavibe.net/~sneak/20141023/wtf-icloud/
No wonder OS 10.10 is free: it has become a gigantic trojan, with a fully functional and safe free 10.9 Mavericks as a teaser for the wary. More than squares the capability of any existing adware/malware/trojan.
Has Apple struck a deal with the NSA PRISM program/ GCHQ? I try not to be paranoiac about it, but still...glad I'm not running Yo1010.
1984 coming into action, finally, in the latter days of Moore's law.
Here's a (translated) comment I've posted on the matter in Dutch on Intermactivity.be under the title:
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Sci Fi:
And the next logical step is...no more local storage and OSXI "Terminator" only netbootable from Apple servers. Apps only per online Appstore subscription.
Users without Internet/ IPv6 addresses will do jail time. The use of alternate DNSes will be outlawed. Sale and possession of local storage will be illegal as well.
On iOS only "LiveWatches","LivePhones", "LivePads", "LivePods" and "LiveCars" remain, without local storage, only a WiFi link.
All services have to be paid for by subscription. E.g.: playing a song on or watching a movie on iTunes means paying royalties, "LiveCars" pay per mileage.
Give or take about 2025, all of this may be true and normal. Just call it "one more thing".
Maybe this sounds like Sci Fi, but IT technically, this is already possible. "Long live progress!"
How's that, trendwatchers?
Anyhow, seems like a good way to bypass Moore's law: every computer back to time sharing; your computing device a terminal of a global supercomputer owned by a multinational. Personal Computer history in reverse.
Long live "the Internet of things", hurrah!
So about time we users wake up...
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Old Apr 7th, 2015, 07:28 PM   #2
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I think the article is jumping to conclusions and looking at it from a rather negative one sided view.

I'm not to worried about iCloud Drive and things being given to government bodies. I partially trust apple, I have a decently secure password and I have two step authorization set up.


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Old Apr 7th, 2015, 09:38 PM   #3
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Just disable continuity, so it won't save to iCloud. When will these people learn how to use a computer?
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If the iCloud app/software is not on your computer it should not be a threat to the integrity and privacy of your data. For the benefit of those who have no use for iCloud and other versions of online data storage:

What is the latest version of OSX that does not include iCloud?

In versions of OSX, including Yosemite, that include iCloud what is the procedure to uninstall iCloud?

It seems Apple is following the same unscrupulous procedure that Microsoft did when it bundled Internet Explorer with Windows and tried to force users to use that browser. By all means include the option of installing these "extras" if users wish to but installing them as the default should always be banned. Time for another complaint to the EU regulators!
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Old May 13th, 2015, 09:42 PM   #5
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Icloud features are built into osx. If you don't want to use it, keep it signed out
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Old May 13th, 2015, 10:26 PM   #6
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If the iCloud app/software is not on your computer it should not be a threat to the integrity and privacy of your data. For the benefit of those who have no use for iCloud and other versions of online data storage:

What is the latest version of OSX that does not include iCloud?

In versions of OSX, including Yosemite, that include iCloud what is the procedure to uninstall iCloud?

It seems Apple is following the same unscrupulous procedure that Microsoft did when it bundled Internet Explorer with Windows and tried to force users to use that browser. By all means include the option of installing these "extras" if users wish to but installing them as the default should always be banned. Time for another complaint to the EU regulators!
Microsoft does the same right now with OneDrive.
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Old Jun 12th, 2015, 01:37 PM   #7
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Apple users raise privacy concerns after hard-drive files uploaded to servers | Technology | The Guardian

It is no good advising users to turn off iCloud, keep it signed out, etc. The problem is that with all user-selectable options turned to “off” or ”do not report” your information continues to be sent elsewhere. Your computer is not under your control. The only way to avoid this is to use a version of OSX that does not incorporate this automatic spyware.

The same may apply to applications such as TextEdit whose drafts are being sent elsewhere. It may be necessary to revert to earlier versions which do not contain spyware or to use other applications. Other apps will not be necessary if the automatic online reporting problem is confined to OSX but this has not been confirmed.

Even using applications such as TextEdit, Numbers, Word and Pages when your computer is not connected to the Internet is insufficient as OSX and applications may be set up to store copies of your drafts and send them to Big Brother when you next connect to the Internet. Such hidden drafts would not show up in an anti-virus or malware scan as they are legitimate drafts - which have just been stored for someone else’s use when you next go online. The hidden drafts would then be “removed” from your computer but not from where they have been sent.

Other Apple apps seem to be operating in a similar fashion. Enable Location Services on my iMac with Yosemite 10.10.2 has a blank box but glancing at Security and Privacy indicates that Maps.app and System Services are apps that have requested my location within the last 24 hours. I looked at Maps when it came out and have not used it since. However Security & Privacy indicates Maps still seems to be operating and doing so outside of my control. I have not use Maps for many months let alone within the last 24 hours so it must be spyware operating on some other party’s behalf. Whose and what for? How do I stop it?

What other spyware has Apple introduced and what backdoors are there in OSX and its apps? One OSX backdoor was used was by Apple last December to install an update on many Macs without their users knowledge or permission. http://www.ehmac.ca/anything-mac/129...-your-mac.html What else has this backdoor been used for - in both directions - and by who else than Apple? Are there other backdoors?

The Guardian article advises that Apple has been doing this since well before Yosemite was released. The support document Apple published on the subject was dated 16 December 2013 but the Guardian advises the automatic-saving function might go back even further.

The Guardian article exposes that files are saved without the user’s permission or knowledge to “a remote server that Apple controls.” However it is quite likely that they are also being saved to another server(s) that someone else controls. Apple advises: “When a user later gives the file a name and selects a location to store it, the document is “removed” from iCloud (unless, of course, the user intentionally saves the file to iCloud).” Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that Apple introduced automatic-saving of your document drafts online only to have them “removed” when you name or save the document, all without your permission or knowledge, for no reason at all? What is to stop the file being scanned in the meantime, especially as Apple is a known NSA/GCHQ Prism agent or accomplice. There is no mention of removing it from other servers it might have been sent to.

What is the last version of OSX that does not incorporate anything to do with iCloud or other versions of online storage? What can Mac desktop and laptop users do about other uncontrollable apps such as Maps? Does anyone have the answers?
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Old Jun 12th, 2015, 03:36 PM   #8
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Apple users raise privacy concerns after hard-drive files uploaded to servers | Technology | The Guardian

It is no good advising users to turn off iCloud, keep it signed out, etc. The problem is that with all user-selectable options turned to “off” or ”do not report” your information continues to be sent elsewhere. Your computer is not under your control. The only way to avoid this is to use a version of OSX that does not incorporate this automatic spyware.

The same may apply to applications such as TextEdit whose drafts are being sent elsewhere. It may be necessary to revert to earlier versions which do not contain spyware or to use other applications. Other apps will not be necessary if the automatic online reporting problem is confined to OSX but this has not been confirmed.

Even using applications such as TextEdit, Numbers, Word and Pages when your computer is not connected to the Internet is insufficient as OSX and applications may be set up to store copies of your drafts and send them to Big Brother when you next connect to the Internet. Such hidden drafts would not show up in an anti-virus or malware scan as they are legitimate drafts - which have just been stored for someone else’s use when you next go online. The hidden drafts would then be “removed” from your computer but not from where they have been sent.

Other Apple apps seem to be operating in a similar fashion. Enable Location Services on my iMac with Yosemite 10.10.2 has a blank box but glancing at Security and Privacy indicates that Maps.app and System Services are apps that have requested my location within the last 24 hours. I looked at Maps when it came out and have not used it since. However Security & Privacy indicates Maps still seems to be operating and doing so outside of my control. I have not use Maps for many months let alone within the last 24 hours so it must be spyware operating on some other party’s behalf. Whose and what for? How do I stop it?

What other spyware has Apple introduced and what backdoors are there in OSX and its apps? One OSX backdoor was used was by Apple last December to install an update on many Macs without their users knowledge or permission. http://www.ehmac.ca/anything-mac/129...-your-mac.html What else has this backdoor been used for - in both directions - and by who else than Apple? Are there other backdoors?

The Guardian article advises that Apple has been doing this since well before Yosemite was released. The support document Apple published on the subject was dated 16 December 2013 but the Guardian advises the automatic-saving function might go back even further.

The Guardian article exposes that files are saved without the user’s permission or knowledge to “a remote server that Apple controls.” However it is quite likely that they are also being saved to another server(s) that someone else controls. Apple advises: “When a user later gives the file a name and selects a location to store it, the document is “removed” from iCloud (unless, of course, the user intentionally saves the file to iCloud).” Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that Apple introduced automatic-saving of your document drafts online only to have them “removed” when you name or save the document, all without your permission or knowledge, for no reason at all? What is to stop the file being scanned in the meantime, especially as Apple is a known NSA/GCHQ Prism agent or accomplice. There is no mention of removing it from other servers it might have been sent to.

What is the last version of OSX that does not incorporate anything to do with iCloud or other versions of online storage? What can Mac desktop and laptop users do about other uncontrollable apps such as Maps? Does anyone have the answers?
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Old Jun 12th, 2015, 05:29 PM   #9
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beat me to it ^^^
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Old Jun 22nd, 2015, 05:46 PM   #10
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Derisively cute pictures aside, my experience with apple (starting 2010) regarding privacy
is….. it is a running battle. It took me a week back in 2010 to organize a functional
workspace without cupertino watching and forwarding MY actions at their whim.

I upgraded the operating system just once (various reasons not all related to privacy)
In the last year or so Apple and others have been redefining all of us. Our customer
identity has shifted further towards our product identity. More and more we are the product.

I am aware that at this stage of computers and networks, I am using the enemy's tools.
They are not my tools, but I take care of them. They will not be advanced or repaired
in anyway that is useful to me without great cost.

I am very Happy with the tools I use. I have SOME understanding of the environment in which I use them.
Life is short, Art is long. Staying at Apple's bleeding edge is far too big a project for me.

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