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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 01:33 PM   #1
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Who controls what is on your Mac?

BBC News - Apple issues first automatic bug update for Macs

Apple pushes first ever automated security update to Mac users | Reuters

What else is Apple pushing out on to Mac owners/users without their knowledge or permission?

If it can do this with a so-called security update then it can do the same on behalf of the NSA/GCHQ, the Mafia, bent cops, a rogue state’s “glorious leader” or some other nefarious party. By building such a vulnerability into OSX Apple is exposing innocent Mac owners to having false evidence planted on their Macs or otherwise being set up or attacked by third parties. eg If child porn or Barclay’s Bank Libor/forex rigging evidence is found on a Mac how can any court be sure that it was not planted there by some crooked cop, regulator or prosecutor, either directly or using Apple as an accessory/accomplice?


The ethical actions that Apple should have taken are:

1 Do everything possible to ensure that OSX on all Macs is secure from outside interference of all kinds. ie only the owner or somebody deliberately authorised by the owner to act on the owner’s behalf, can install updates or make changes to their Mac’s contents or apps. This should be basic for any OS software developer with common sense, intelligence, competence and integrity!

2 The security update profiled above should have been released in the normal way with owners being advised that an update is available, what it is about and having a choice of whether or not and when to install it.

Such shifty behaviour damages Apple’s reputation and destroys the credibility of Macs for all users requiring any sort of privacy or security - ie just about everyone.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 01:57 PM   #2
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An overreaction, perhaps?

It wasn't automatically installed -- it just didn't need authorization. You still had to manually click "Update". Here it is on my work computer:
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 02:06 PM   #3
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What's all "the sky is falling" panic about?

All users have to do is check and maybe change their System Preference settings for any Apple updates. It works for me running Mavericks 10.9.5 and the update via the Software Update worked as I expected.

Software Update notifications says there's an update available, so using it the update is listed with some minimal info and I'm given the choice whether I click the Update and auto install button or not.

Absolutely no background install intrusion at all, just like my Pref Pane settings are set to and how I want them.

So maybe such authors should check how their Mac is setup and its Preferences before spreading such exagerated FUD. Gheese.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 03:41 PM   #4
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To check your version #, Carrier, open Terminal and type
what /usr/sbin/ntpd
Source: NTP Critical Security Update for OS X Released by Apple, All Mac Users Should Install Now | OSXDaily
This source BTW also mentions the automatically pushed status of the update. Seems a strong rumour, everybody copying from everybody else.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 03:55 PM   #5
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It wasn't automatically installed -- it just didn't need authorization. You still had to manually click "Update".
I awoke this AM to a message on my MBP:

“Security Update Installed. A new security update was installed on your Mac.”

No authorization given for it.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 03:56 PM   #6
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Absolutely no background install intrusion at all
Incorrect. I have my MBP set to not allow *any* automatic updates. Yet this was installed overnight anyway.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 04:07 PM   #7
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I wonder why there are so many different versions for basically the same problem on similar OS X versions???

It seems that my Mavericks got 17 associated "ntpd" files and folders added with my update yesterday. Anyway, it seems to be doing its thing I guess as Activity Monitor says its running. So nice and warm and cozy comfort and in safety once again.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 08:46 PM   #8
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On one of my Macs the update was installed automatically with a notice posted but there is no record of it in the installed updates list. On the other Mac I had to install the update manually and it's listed in the installed updates section. Both machines are using Mavericks and the Pref Pane settings are the same on both computers.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 09:05 PM   #9
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I'm getting confirmation on veritable user-unauthorized push updates from all around. Once more, Apple going the Microsoft way. Beware.
Ready to second Carrier's indignation right now.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2014, 09:07 PM   #10
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I had to go check for updates and click the update button on mine even though I have auto updates turned on.
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