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Old Mar 1st, 2003, 04:42 PM   #1
 
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Does this sound like a good deal or what? or am I missing something? Help me out cuz I'm going to buy it if it IS a good deal!

"G4 Dual 1GHz Quicksilver --- $3200
Dual 1Ghz G4 w/ 2MB of L3 cache per processor 1.5 GB of PC133 RAM, DVD-RW/CD-RW SUPERDRIVE 40Gig + 80 gig 7200 rpm HD's, ATA100 PCI card, UW SCSI card,1000 BASE-T Ethernet, FireWire, USB, LOADED with software. MINT condition, all receipts etc. "
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pamela:
...DVD-RW/CD-RW SUPERDRIVE...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Correction - the SuperDrive is only DVD-R/CD-RW. There is no DVD-RW/CD-RW Superdrive from Apple. Sounds like a fair deal though.
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Old Mar 1st, 2003, 05:03 PM   #3
 
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Is there anything negative I have to watch out for with this model?

I'm using it for CAD, photoshop, illustrator, flash etc...lots and lots of graphics...also with my ipod, two monitors, and internet and wordprocessing of course. I want to run the latest OS X.

I'm new at this so please warn me about this particular models' issues. THANKS!!!!!
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Actually, I've read that if you use Toast, the superdrive can be used as a DVD-RW as well.
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Old Mar 1st, 2003, 06:36 PM   #5
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DVD-RW works fine on my G4 (Quicksilver summer 2001 with Pioneer x03 drive).

Looks good to me. A new model would perform a bit (not a lot) better, but:
SCSI card (depending on model) is at least $75, could easily be more.
ATA-100 card is about $100 extra.
RAM is at least $ 125 per 512MB 133 stick; it's more for the RAM the new models require)
Extra 40GB drive is at least $100.
You will pay GST/PST on a new machine ($200+, but could be over $300 depending on where you live).

At a little less than the same price, (2400 + GST + PST) you can get a new single processor G4 with half the L3 cache as the model you're looking at, but without the extras. I would expect the used one as configured to outperform the new model; the dual processors with 2MB cache should overcome the slightly slower RAM bus.

At more than the same price, (3200 + GST + PST) you get a dual G4 with half the L3 cache, with faster RAM, a faster processor, and a better video card. This should be a faster machine, especially if you upped the RAM, but you still don't get the extras. It's hard to say whether the 1.5MB of 133 RAM in the used box would overcome the 256MB of faster RAM on the newer one, but it might.

No mention of the video card, but the entry level new Powermac comes with a 64MB Geforce4MX, which may be similar to the one you're looking at.

If it's less than 1 year old, you might be able to add AppleCare. The SuperDrive is worth about +300 on a new machine from Apple.

Price estimates in Canadian $.

XBench scores for dual 1GHz Quicksilvers range from about 83 to about 130, with most around 118 or so.

The single processor MDD G4 1Ghz runs about 80 to 107, with most around 100.

The dual processor MDD G4 1.25Ghz runs from about 103 to about 160 (there are a few rogue systems above 160, but they are probably hot-rodded way past your budget) with most around 140 or so. So, it looks like a good machine for the money.
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you even pay tax on a used machine?
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I'm assuming it's from a private seller, in which case you won't pay GST, etc. for the used machine.

However, if you bought it from a retail reseller, yes you do pay tax, new or used.
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gordguide....for some reason I didn't read or notice the rest of your post after the sum up of part costs and tax...strange...I could sware it wasn't there before?! Anyway...thanks for your Thourough response! I understood most of it...you made it pretty clear. But the negative points that you mentioned about the system compared to a quicker one...

"At more than the same price, (3200 + GST + PST) you get a dual G4 with half the L3 cache, with faster RAM, a faster processor, and a better video card. This should be a faster machine, especially if you upped the RAM, but you still don't get the extras. It's hard to say whether the 1.5MB of 133 RAM in the used box would overcome the 256MB of faster RAM on the newer one, but it might."

Like what are we talking in real terms of noticing a difference (esp. having mentioned the programs I will be using it for)? Where would I notice the lag? Tough call I'm sure...but for the money it just seemed like a good deal.

What about upgradability options in the future? Is this model capable?

Thanks!
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This is the update email I got from the guy about the quicksilver he has for sale...

"The video card is an nVIDIA GeForce 4 MX 64 MB DDR... A very fast and capable card, in my opinion the only better card out there is the GF 4ti, but at $600 new from Apple, not worth the performance benefits. The programs are many, and varied (Macromedia, Adobe, Apple, Microsoft) all are the latest OS X versions. All are backed up as .DMG (Full install) mountable files that you could burn to CD if you wish. Iím selling because I am running new high-end software that is platform specific (Linux/Windows), so Iíll be getting another PC for my grunt work, and a used PowerBook for my daily routine stuff. The G4 was babied to say the least, and is in MINT (I mean MINT) condition. "

I don't know if this changes anyone's opinion on whether it's a good deal or not but I thought I'd throw it in.

We've set up a time to meet on Monday so I'd really like any feedback good or bad about this system (and powermac line) before then! Thanks a million everyone!

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Old Mar 2nd, 2003, 12:14 AM   #10
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" ... Like what are we talking in real terms of noticing a difference (esp. having mentioned the programs I will be using it for)? Where would I notice the lag? Tough call I'm sure...but for the money it just seemed like a good deal. ..."

With only 256MB RAM, I don't think a new Dual 1.25 would be faster than the QuickSilver with 1.5GB. If you're budget isn't tight, adding a 512MB RAM card to a new Mac would probably be enough to realise better speed. But now we're talking a $4000 machine.

The Geforce 64 is a great video card. No problems there.

One thing about the SW, it may be he plans to keep using the apps and is just providing the installers as disk images and perhaps installer codes while he retains the original disks and the registration (or maybe they're not "real" versions to begin with).

Adobe apps, for instance, come with a transfer of software form that can be filled out to transfer ownership. If he isn't willing (or able) to transfer the SW and provide whatever disks he has, then count the "bundle" as worth $0. If you really wanted to, you could pirate the stuff yourself, so it's not worth paying to have someone else do it.

It's A Bad Idea to do any commercial work with unauthorized software; many serious apps flag the files they create with hidden registration info that compaines like Adobe can lookup and check against their own info. Not good for business.

All the G4 towers are very expandable; there are 4 free PCI slots and you are looking at 2 cards installed leaving 2 free. I can see someone filling the other two, but very few users would need a fifth.
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