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Old Dec 22nd, 2012, 03:17 PM   #11
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wow red baiting is alive and well it seems. i guess that's the intellectually lazy way of avoiding actually engaging with arguments.

enjoy your bland, one taste kool aid served up by the mainstream meda.
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Old Dec 22nd, 2012, 03:33 PM   #12
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For the record, it was Flavor Aid. You could look it up.

I buy Apple products because they're well-designed, well-built, and intuitive to use. I don't mind paying more for quality, and neither do about 90% of the kids I teach on a daily basis with their iOS devices, even with cracked screens they still use 'em. It's more than a fad. Apple has established an acceptable selling price; all the others are viewed as cheap knockoffs. Even when they miss a beat, like with Apple Maps, a solution comes along pretty quick, even from arch-rival Google. In fact, it's in Google's best interest to have a strong presence on iOS devices since these people are more likely to pay for more apps than Android owners. Fiscal cliff? Apple lived through the last recession in 2007-2008 without even blinking. I think they'll do just fine this time out as well. It's the cheap knockoffs that may have to worry.
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Old Dec 22nd, 2012, 03:39 PM   #13
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For the record, it was Flavor Aid. You could look it up.
There's only one flavour that works in this context:
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Old Dec 22nd, 2012, 10:05 PM   #14
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wow red baiting is alive and well it seems. i guess that's the intellectually lazy way of avoiding actually engaging with arguments.

enjoy your bland, one taste kool aid served up by the mainstream meda.
Red baiting? Sorry you were blue baiting. Intellectually lazy? Right back at ya. Where was your argument? All you did was post a link to someone else's writings... that's about as lazy as it gets.

Mainstream media gets it wrong over and over again... where did I link to anything? You were the only one linking to so called "media"... the far left tin foil hat wearing media.

Like I said, you have drunk the "aid" (either "flavor" or "kool") of your own favourite colour and flavour, but it in no way makes you, your links or your thoughts (although you have posted none) superior, even though you seem to need to portray them as such.

But in the spirit of the season... a Merry Festivus to you and yours.


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Old Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:22 AM   #15
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With the "fiscal cliff" looming...
Convenient fallacy.

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Any current proposal on the table increases taxes now and leaves cuts far into the future....
Convenient non-truth

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There is no desire among the majority in either party to really cut spending. The 50-year deal: don't cut entitlements and we won't cut military spending.

The proposed cuts mentioned in the article are all slated for the far-flung future. All tax increases are immediate. This is no reasonable bargain offered by Obama.
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Recently it's more of a don't cut social spending (social welfare, or the more innaccurate term, entitlements), and we won't raise taxes.

Hence the relatively low taxes, high spending.

Traditional republicans and democrats are supporters of a strong military, just for different reasons/goals.

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However, I don't believe that the cliff is anything Obama wants to avoid. On the other side of the cliff, he will blame the Republicans for the situation, declare that he is supporting new tax cuts for the poor and middle class and will find a way to restore some of the lost military spending, thus destroying the Republican brand.
I'll disagree. I think that Obama wants to avoid it, I don't think he wants to cut social spending. If the fiscal cliff is enacted he will blame the republicans, but this is not surprising, as the republicans will blame him, it just how the politcal climate is, as seen on this thread. It's about the Party and a lesser (sadly) extent ideology.

Boehner (did i spell that right) is offering terms worse than the cliff for the democrats, so there is not much incentive to make a worse deal. The problem is neither side is willing to bite the bullet and make a deal.
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Convenient fallacy.

Convenient non-truth

Recently it's more of a don't cut social spending (social welfare, or the more innaccurate term, entitlements), and we won't raise taxes.

Hence the relatively low taxes, high spending.

Traditional republicans and democrats are supporters of a strong military, just for different reasons/goals.

I'll disagree. I think that Obama wants to avoid it, I don't think he wants to cut social spending. If the fiscal cliff is enacted he will blame the republicans, but this is not surprising, as the republicans will blame him, it just how the politcal climate is, as seen on this thread. It's about the Party and a lesser (sadly) extent ideology.

Boehner (did i spell that right) is offering terms worse than the cliff for the democrats, so there is not much incentive to make a worse deal. The problem is neither side is willing to bite the bullet and make a deal.
Ain't that the truth.
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Convenient non-truth
I'll bite--what are the Democrat spending cuts currently on the table, that would not also be part of the "fiscal cliff" cuts.

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Recently it's more of a don't cut social spending (social welfare, or the more innaccurate term, entitlements), and we won't raise taxes.
Not all social spending is entitlements, but all entitlements are social spending.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2012, 12:30 AM   #18
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The apple tax has always been fallacy.

Sometimes prices are comparable, sometimes people want to pay more for a product that works better for them, it's not a tax, it's the free market.

Also anyone notice the trend of tablets selling for or below costs means the iPad has an apple tax? Does this make sense to anyone else? Since when is a company making a profit equal to paying a (company)tax.
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I'll bite--what are the Democrat spending cuts currently on the table, that would not also be part of the "fiscal cliff" cuts.

Not all social spending is entitlements, but all entitlements are social spending.
I could be wrong... But I think ertman is someone with whom you need not be arguing... You are more in agreement than disagreement... At least in my interpretation... Perhaps in an opposite side of the same coin kind of way.
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I'll bite--what are the Democrat spending cuts currently on the table, that would not also be part of the "fiscal cliff" cuts.
Didn't say they offered some other alternative to some of the cuts outlined in the "fiscal cliff", but rather they are offering more immediate and future cuts, not just cuts far into future.

Also, the agreement doesn't need to be different or equal to the "fiscal cliff", as it is a penalty for not working together.

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Not all social spending is entitlements, but all entitlements are social spending.
Agreed, but they are being lumped together as being the same.
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