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Old Jul 31st, 2012, 04:22 PM   #31
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When does Apple (or most companies) announce that they are going to _stop_ selling something??
did you miss the part where i mentioned the numerous emails all mobileme subscribers received to let them know that mobileme was ending?
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Old Jul 31st, 2012, 04:30 PM   #32
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I didn't miss how those appear, to me, to be different things. Closing off a service is pretty different than selling a new operating system and not selling an old one, something every system software company has done since forever.


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Old Jul 31st, 2012, 05:41 PM   #33
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I didn't miss how those appear, to me, to be different things. Closing off a service is pretty different than selling a new operating system and not selling an old one, something every system software company has done since forever.
They could sell both OS's and still make tons of money, although it's not the OS at $20 or $30 a pop they're planning to make money on. But trying to force people to upgrade to 2011 or newer computers to have something that was available yesterday smacks of greed a little bit. Traditionally, people would crave the new Apple thing while making do with the old one, but by offering the OS only online and then removing the older OS, it's like, say, enticing people to move to Mars and then charging them for air.
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They could sell both OS's and still make tons of money, although it's not the OS at $20 or $30 a pop they're planning to make money on. But trying to force people to upgrade to 2011 or newer computers to have something that was available yesterday smacks of greed a little bit. Traditionally, people would crave the new Apple thing while making do with the old one, but by offering the OS only online and then removing the older OS, it's like, say, enticing people to move to Mars and then charging them for air.
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Old Aug 1st, 2012, 09:43 AM   #35
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Just a side note for those who say they don't see Lion in their purchases anymore... I started a download the other day, it was running fine then I had accidentally clicked the X beside the Lion Install and inadverttantly hidden it (thought i had deleted it!).

Follow these instructions to add it back to or "unhide" from the list of purchases and you will be able to download it again..
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Old Aug 3rd, 2012, 02:00 PM   #36
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You know, on the other hand, if they left it up there'd probably be a barage of people saying "i bought Lion and Mountain Lion to upgrade from Snow Leopard and I spent 30$ I didn't have to!!"

That is, I think they're damned if they do and damned if they don't take it off the store.
Those would be the Windows converts who can't find IE and have a password of "password"...

Apple regularly does HW/SW checking when it comes to updates.
"This software will not run on your hardware." messages appear all the time.
They could easily have an app that assesses what hardware/OS you have and then lets you know that either you can't run ML and need Lion or that, for your hardware, Mountain Lion is a more appropriate and cheaper update from Snow Leopard.

Easy Peasy!

I figure by the time my core2duo craps out (Macs last at least ten years for me), the current version of OS X will be so intrusive and sandboxed that I'll choose a Linux based PC for home and an iPad. Because even in 2017, Android RIM and Windows tablets will suck farts out of dead donkeys compared to an iOS tablet.
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Old Aug 3rd, 2012, 02:14 PM   #37
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You know, on the other hand, if they left it up there'd probably be a barage of people saying "i bought Lion and Mountain Lion to upgrade from Snow Leopard and I spent 30$ I didn't have to!!"

That is, I think they're damned if they do and damned if they don't take it off the store.
What do you mean? We are talking about people who have hardware that can't be updated to ML and now Lion is unavailable... I don't see your point.
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What do you mean? We are talking about people who have hardware that can't be updated to ML and now Lion is unavailable... I don't see your point.
And people that can upgrade to Mountain Lion would purchase both Lion and then ML because they don't realize they can skip Lion altogether from Snow Leopard, is the point PosterBoy is making.
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And people that can upgrade to Mountain Lion would purchase both Lion and then ML because they don't realize they can skip Lion altogether from Snow Leopard, is the point PosterBoy is making.
So??? Isn't this the way it has always been before? Without removing a previous OS for sale? Not much of a defence...

There is zero to gain by removing from Lion for sale IMO except that Apple realizes that so many people were PO'd with Lion they may be willing to buy a new machine just to get past Lion.... so they are hoping people will upgrade their hardware (very recent) so they can upgrade their OS...

If this is Apple's business plan/roadmap under Cook it blows IMO.
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So??? Isn't this the way it has always been before? Without removing a previous OS for sale? Not much of a defence...
Let me clarify:

- Lion and Mountain Lion are both for sale (say they were);
- User has Snow Leopard;
- User thinks he needs Lion before he can get Mountain Lion, which is false but he does not know better;
- User buys Lion for $29.
- User buys Mountain Lion for $19.
- User realizes he spent $48 to get Mountain Lion when he could have spent just $19.
- User is unimpressed.

Is what PosterBoy was getting at. And two or more versions of OS X were never for sale at the same time in the past.
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