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Old Jul 31st, 2012, 11:17 AM   #21
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True, but had they upgraded to Lion within the past year, they would not have the problem, would they? Is that Apple's fault?
Yes it is, Don. If everyone could upgrade to ML, that would be one thing. But since computers of a certain vintage cannot do ML, then Lion should at least be an option. By making the OS download only, they are screwing many of their own customers. In the old days, you could always at least find an older version of the OS still languishing on the shelf. And by old days, I mean a year or two ago. It's not like they're making so much profit from the OS that they can't afford to keep both or all three recent OS's around.
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Old Jul 31st, 2012, 11:48 AM   #22
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True, but had they upgraded to Lion within the past year, they would not have the problem, would they? Is that Apple's fault?
It absolutely is.
The least thing Apple should have done is announce that they are going to pull the Lion download and give people at least a month, preferably three, to get their copy before Apple stops the distribution.

BTW - a number of people on ehMac have made a copy of the Lion installer, I have as well because I have a bunch of Macs in the family that I sort of look after and I haven't checked each one to see which ones can only upgrade to Lion and which one can go to ML.

I assume it would be illegal to offer a copy of the Lion installer to whoever wants it even at no charge.....
I see someone in the UK is peddling the Lion OS on ebay.
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My point being that if everyone had stayed current with the latest OS, they would not have the problem. You snooze, you lose type of thing.
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My point being that if everyone had stayed current with the latest OS, they would not have the problem. You snooze, you lose type of thing.
Why should it be that way? Staying "current" with Lion presented problems for many Pro users until it was significantly updated to .X versions because their software wasn't yet updated to run on Lion... kinda like what ML in now breaking for people. Many users wait for all kinds of reasons before updating, that doesn't meant they won't but now they can't. It doesn't make for good business if you ask me.

How does it adversely affect Apple to keep Lion available for purchase for those users who can't upgrade to ML who are on SL and just decided to wait to see how things ironed out and didn't want to be an early adopter and have things broken all over the place?

Anyway you slice it is bad policy and I see it doing nothing but POing some customers...
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Old Jul 31st, 2012, 12:19 PM   #25
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My point being that if everyone had stayed current with the latest OS, they would not have the problem. You snooze, you lose type of thing.
You snooze you lose is kindof a crap (and IMHO, very UN-Apple) way of dealing with customers, no?
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You snooze you lose is kindof a crap (and IMHO, very UN-Apple) way of dealing with customers, no?
Indeed, but since Job's departure Apple appears to be taking a new attitude. Trouble is, they may PO enough people to hurt sales in the pro and heavy user categories, BUT it seems to me they are forgetting about we who use Apple to make a living. The focus now appears to be on hooking the iPhone/iPad only crowd to buy their laptops. I could be wrong, but I somehow doubt it.
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Old Jul 31st, 2012, 12:54 PM   #27
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The focus now appears to be on hooking the iPhone/iPad only crowd to buy their laptops. I could be wrong, but I somehow doubt it.
Fair enough, I don't disagree with that.
But that is no reason to just drop Lion from one day to the next with no warning.
Snow Leopard was still available from Apple in parallel with Lion; for SL Apple actually had to ship a disk which mean more effort logistically - I think people expected the same thing to happen when Mountain Lion was introduced, have the last two OSs available for purchase especially since they both now available through downloads.

I wonder, there must be Macs out there that originally came with Leopard that are upgradable to Mountain Lion, if those people didn't upgrade previously they are sort of pooched as well since they have to upgrade to SL before they can upgrade to ML and the SL disk is no longer available from Apple either.
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Old Jul 31st, 2012, 02:28 PM   #28
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yes...tons. 2.4/2.2Ghz 15" MBPs can run mountain lion. there are tons of them out there still running leopard and tiger.

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The least thing Apple should have done is announce that they are going to pull the Lion download and give people at least a month, preferably three, to get their copy before Apple stops the distribution.
this ^. a little heads up email a la mobile me shutting down wouldn't have killed anyone..
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When does Apple (or most companies) announce that they are going to _stop_ selling something??
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You know, on the other hand, if they left it up there'd probably be a barage of people saying "i bought Lion and Mountain Lion to upgrade from Snow Leopard and I spent 30$ I didn't have to!!"

That is, I think they're damned if they do and damned if they don't take it off the store.
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