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Old Dec 11th, 2011, 08:28 PM   #11
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Anyone have any experience with AirFoil?
We use Airfoil everyday for streaming all kinds of media to various speakers, other macs and appletv. Especially useful when sharing Sirius radio throughout the house.
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Old Dec 11th, 2011, 09:09 PM   #12
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Yeah, wired solves everything (had that before). But I'm trying to avoid being wiry.
It is pretty much an either-or situation. The wireless spectrum is narrow and, in much of the urban environment, crowded and noisy. Even if it works now, if a few more neighbours add wireless you are going to be trampling each other.

Most people don't move their Airport Express around. Fish a wire!

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Old Dec 11th, 2011, 10:17 PM   #13
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We use Airfoil everyday for streaming all kinds of media to various speakers, other macs and appletv. Especially useful when sharing Sirius radio throughout the house.
Irie Guy, are you in a dense urban area? Any issues with drop-outs?
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You don't say if you are Wireless G or N and on 2.4 vs 5Ghz. I had some dropouts with my old G device, but my Wireless N Airport Express and my Wireless N AppleTV don't seem to have any real dropouts.
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You don't say if you are Wireless G or N and on 2.4 vs 5Ghz. I had some dropouts with my old G device, but my Wireless N Airport Express and my Wireless N AppleTV don't seem to have any real dropouts.
I have Airport Expresses.
I don't know these things -->" G or N and on 2.4 vs 5Ghz"
*sigh* I was hoping I'd never again have to tinker around with that sort of irritant after I left the Windows world.

Okay, I've gone into Airport Utility, and my Base Station has a number and a lowercase n after it. I'm assuming I have an n wireless system.

Also, (and this may be very good!) the utility says some of my Airports need firmware updates.
So after posting this, I'm going back to continue updating firmwares.

Fingers crossed!
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Worse than ever.
Really, I don't know why Apple pretends that Airplay is an option.
It's just a super irritating letdown.

Wires will likely be my retro solution. Ridiculous.

Thanks for your help, all.

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Old Dec 19th, 2011, 10:18 PM   #17
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The firmware updates helped both my expresses stay connected. I sometimes get dropouts if we run the microwave but for the most part it is pretty solid and saves me from having to run wires. Obviously running the music from your computer rather then an iOS device should be more stable as it is one less wireless device (assuming your computer is plugged into the Extreme).

As always though wired >>>>>>>>> wireless
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I don't suppose it would help to say that I've set up dozens of clients with Airport Expresses (mostly G but a few N) to stream music, none of which have had any problems or dropouts. Okay, strike that, once a year or so I hear from them. I get them to restart their computer and all is well again. At least two of them are using Airfoil as well, and I always have to remind them to keep Airfoil updated but other than that, no issues.

Back when I had a bigger place, "G" was all you could get. I don't remember the system ever dropping out while the wi-fi was working -- but in Florida, continuous internet service is not really a given.
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Old Dec 23rd, 2011, 07:06 PM   #19
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It's *expletive* awful.

I downloaded the firmware updates to all the Airports.
The drop-outs are more frequent and longer-lasting than ever.
I don't know anything about radio technology - but I wonder how hard it can possibly be for Apple to make something that's supposed to stream music, to just. stream. music.

My internet works almost flawlessly over this same Airport network.

I'm selling this building in a few months and will definitely hardwire the sound system in the next place.

Thanks, Friends, for your input.
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It's all down to what the walls are made of and what else is creating radio traffic (or noise)

Some '50s houses used chicken wire underneath the interior plaster walls. These are flippin Faraday cages and wireless fails spectacularly.

Microwaves, cordless phones, electric motors that spark and create broad spectrum radio noise (power tools, furnace blower, etc) all can interfere with the signal. Position of the transmitter and receiver are critical. Putting the AE on an extension cord and repositioning it away from the wall or reorienting it may help. Think back in the day to positioning the antenna of your radio or the bunny ears on the TV.

Your internet works "flawlessly" because you don't ever notice a 200 ms delay in the data stream - you are seldom using continuous streaming data and most of the data (other than 'net videos, which are heavily buffered for just this reason) you don't have a good way to tell how fast it 'should' have arrived vs. what you got.

However audio -- humans are exquisitely sensitive to hearing drop outs and glitches in music.
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