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Old Dec 24th, 2007, 11:02 PM   #51
 
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I'm still wrapping my brain around this levy.
I've just purchased a pile of music from iTunes and I've been copying music from some older CDs legally purchased(and which I'm allowed to legally make copies for personal use) but I'll now be expected to pay a levy if I want to listen to this music on an MP3 player.
Or I'm expected to pay a levy on flash disks for my camera which I use for pictures taken on my camera.
As a musician, I'm absolutely in favour of compensating musicians for their work. I'm not in favour of assuming that every device capable of misuse is being misused. I don't like the idea of assuming misdeeds by all and making everyone pay the price.
If they impose this levy I doubt I'll ever see my minuscule share but I'll be paying into it.
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Old Dec 25th, 2007, 01:43 AM   #52
 
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I'm still wrapping my brain around this levy.
I've just purchased a pile of music from iTunes and I've been copying music from some older CDs legally purchased(and which I'm allowed to legally make copies for personal use) but I'll now be expected to pay a levy if I want to listen to this music on an MP3 player.
Or I'm expected to pay a levy on flash disks for my camera which I use for pictures taken on my camera.
As a musician, I'm absolutely in favour of compensating musicians for their work. I'm not in favour of assuming that every device capable of misuse is being misused. I don't like the idea of assuming misdeeds by all and making everyone pay the price.
If they impose this levy I doubt I'll ever see my minuscule share but I'll be paying into it.
You're expected to pay this levy on anything that could be considered to ne music-specific storage media (so likely on actual players themselves only). And yeah, the levy basically exists because according to the CIRA everybody is a pirate and therefore everyone must compensate them. Also, I agree that musicians won't see a dime of this money since it doesn't count toward album sales, which is how they're compensated by the labels. Basically it all goes to the middlemen of the major labels.

Another thing I really dislike about this is that it really does nothing to compensate independent musicians or labels, and if anything it hurts them since they tend to be among the biggest adopters of online distribution. Many independent artists primarily distrbute online because if the reduced costs and risk. With this levy people are expected to pay a good chunk of their digital music storage costs to the major labels, even if they don't use them for their music, which is preposterous.
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Old Dec 25th, 2007, 09:12 AM   #53
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I'm still wrapping my brain around this levy.
I've just purchased a pile of music from iTunes and I've been copying music from some older CDs legally purchased(and which I'm allowed to legally make copies for personal use) but I'll now be expected to pay a levy if I want to listen to this music on an MP3 player.
Or I'm expected to pay a levy on flash disks for my camera which I use for pictures taken on my camera.
As a musician, I'm absolutely in favour of compensating musicians for their work. I'm not in favour of assuming that every device capable of misuse is being misused. I don't like the idea of assuming misdeeds by all and making everyone pay the price.
If they impose this levy I doubt I'll ever see my minuscule share but I'll be paying into it.
I'm in the same boat as you. My thoughts are that if there is a levy that it be a small one. There's no way of determining which device would be used for piracy, and if the device would be used for piracy at all. So a smaller blanket levy would be all that's needed, sort of like the levy I referred to we all pay when we go to a grocery store that pays the cost of shoplifting, even though I've never shoplifted in my life.

In a perfect world...

I highly doubt they will get the levy they are asking for. I know that they always shoot higher, but my prediction is they don't even get the levy.



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Old Dec 25th, 2007, 12:49 PM   #54
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One thing that I think everyone is missing here ... it is most certainly NOT legal/ok/allowable to download content which you haven't purchased or own copyright for. There is NO type of guarantee of your safety in any way, shape, or form with or without this levy. It is against the law and they can not excuse it, plain as that, it's copyright law. Just because the courts haven't pushed for prosecution on that stuff (yet) it doesn't mean it's allowed, it just means that no judge has had the cahonies to set the precedent yet. It takes exactly ONE time and it's all over folks.

Online polls and things of that sort do not work to get the point to your MP. You need to get things in your MP's face, things that they have to process and deal with directly in a physical manner, they don't have to do that with online polls, it's easy to ignore them. It's much harder to ignore paper that lands on a desk.

This levy is a farce. I have been a paying SOCAN member for almost 2 decades and you'll have to trust me on this one ... artists will NEVER see any money from this. Just how will they decide "ok, artist such and such was pirated 1000 times this week" ... that's how artists get paid (by their material getting played), and it won't happen like that, so the whole thing is nothing but a money grab that treats the public as guilty immediately and is totally unacceptable.
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wait a minute. So where is the money currently going? Over 100 million was distributed.



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wait a minute. So where is the money currently going? Over 100 million was distributed.

I think you mean the money was collected. They end up using it for "costs" (executive bonus) and "education" (political contribution). I feel sorry for musicians that get caught in the middle of this such as m guertin. I don't buy that they are protecting "artists rights", they want to protect an income stream that more ends up like a leaky faucet at the artist side. I bet they would charge people for thinking about a song...if they could figure it out.

The big record companies are being brought kicking and screaming into a new way of doing business and they don't understand it. It doesn't seem to help when they treat their entire customer base with such loathing. They had a great opportunity to get in to selling digital downloads years ago and they didn't. People had money in their hands, but no one would take it.

I do believe in copyright (and copyleft) but I also believe in being allowed to use what you paid for in any way you would like for yourself. Paying for a cd, sure! pay to get a digital copy of the same song? uh no. Pay for a digital download (DRMless please!), sure!. Pay for a segment of a song you already own for a ringtone? I don't even understand that.
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Old Dec 25th, 2007, 02:19 PM   #57
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I think you mean the money was collected. They end up using it for "costs" (executive bonus) and "education" (political contribution). I feel sorry for musicians that get caught in the middle of this such as m guertin. I don't buy that they are protecting "artists rights", they want to protect an income stream that more ends up like a leaky faucet at the artist side. I bet they would charge people for thinking about a song...if they could figure it out.

The big record companies are being brought kicking and screaming into a new way of doing business and they don't understand it. It doesn't seem to help when they treat their entire customer base with such loathing. They had a great opportunity to get in to selling digital downloads years ago and they didn't. People had money in their hands, but no one would take it.

I do believe in copyright (and copyleft) but I also believe in being allowed to use what you paid for in any way you would like for yourself. Paying for a cd, sure! pay to get a digital copy of the same song? uh no. Pay for a digital download (DRMless please!), sure!. Pay for a segment of a song you already own for a ringtone? I don't even understand that.
No, I mean the money was DISTRIBUTED.

You make some interesting allegations.

Proof please?

As a musician, I'm as you can see, very interested in this.



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The part about the levy monies not being distributed to the artists came from an interview I saw on TV with Michael Geist. It was a year or more ago, so the money could have been passed out in the mean time. He was talking about all the money coming in but not going out.

I am only speculating on what they do with the money, but I don't know how much of it is going to the artists as they claim they are collecting on behalf of. I guess the record companies are getting extra revenues with no requirement to pay artists for.

Kind of what the TV networks are going through with the writers. They make money on digital downloads but don't have to pay the writers. Maybe artists in Canada need to tell the record companies they should get some of that money.
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The part about the levy monies not being distributed to the artists came from an interview I saw on TV with Michael Geist. It was a year or more ago, so the money could have been passed out in the mean time. He was talking about all the money coming in but not going out.

I am only speculating on what they do with the money, but I don't know how much of it is going to the artists as they claim they are collecting on behalf of. I guess the record companies are getting extra revenues with no requirement to pay artists for.

Kind of what the TV networks are going through with the writers. They make money on digital downloads but don't have to pay the writers. Maybe artists in Canada need to tell the record companies they should get some of that money.
again speculation. Useless.

If Michael Geist said a year ago that no money had been distributed, then he is either an idiot, or a liar. The financial info is public info available on their site.

As for the issue of 'rights holders' and the percentages the record label or the artist gets, well that's a whole other topic altogether.



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Old Dec 25th, 2007, 04:11 PM   #60
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Given how royalties work for both album sales and registered plays of the material there is no way it's even possible that SOCAN is getting any $$ to the musicians by design ... so that does lead to the question as to where the $$ is actually going.
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