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Old Jul 22nd, 2014, 01:42 PM   #21
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I would say that background refresh in iOS7 would cause increased data usage...
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Old Jul 22nd, 2014, 01:43 PM   #22
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I may be a bit OT here, but as a fairly new user of an older iPad 2 with iOS 7, is there any real way to tell whether a wi-fi or cell account is going to be used to download data?

To prevent any cell use with a shared GSM account, I've just been turning Cellular use Off and wait until I'm near any wi-fi and use it.

But even with cell use disabled, I'll swear that there were some slight increases to the cell data. So how come when my cell in Settings is turned Off??

Similar to but not as bad as these users discovered with unwarranted cell use downloads:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5364520

Bottom line is I can't completely trust the Settings settings, as cell use don't always seem to be Off completely.
If you see the Wifi symbol you are on wifi, no cellular data used.

There are also settings that allow you to set which apps can use cell data and which can't.
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Old Jul 23rd, 2014, 04:48 AM   #23
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Any chance you went from iOS 6 to iOS 7 around this time?

I don't think it is reasonable to ask the provider what apps used the data. From a providers POV, data is data.

They should be able to say between 6pm and 7pm on the 18th you used 1 Gb.
No change in OS for me at the time.

I'm not buying the data is data line of thinking. Any business must be able tell you what it is they're charging you for. If you add up around $90 worth of groceries in your head, and the cashier rings up a total of $300, would you accept it if they showed you a receipt that just said "groceries - $300"??? OR, would you make them show you specifically what it was in your cart that cost $200+ more than you thought it would? That actually was the analogy I told the Telus CSR that prompted them to just remove the extra data charge from my bill.

Would it be an invasion of privacy? Sure, but so would a printout showing prescriptions, personal hygiene products, and fibre supplements. If I actually asked them to review it and show it to me, there is no privacy expectation.
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Old Jul 23rd, 2014, 07:32 AM   #24
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Would it be an invasion of privacy? Sure, but so would a printout showing prescriptions, personal hygiene products, and fibre supplements. If I actually asked them to review it and show it to me, there is no privacy expectation.
It's not as though they wouldn't tell the cops on a whim what sort of data you'd been accessing.
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Old Jul 23rd, 2014, 07:32 AM   #25
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No change in OS for me at the time.

I'm not buying the data is data line of thinking. Any business must be able tell you what it is they're charging you for. If you add up around $90 worth of groceries in your head, and the cashier rings up a total of $300, would you accept it if they showed you a receipt that just said "groceries - $300"??? OR, would you make them show you specifically what it was in your cart that cost $200+ more than you thought it would? That actually was the analogy I told the Telus CSR that prompted them to just remove the extra data charge from my bill.

Would it be an invasion of privacy? Sure, but so would a printout showing prescriptions, personal hygiene products, and fibre supplements. If I actually asked them to review it and show it to me, there is no privacy expectation.
Internet (and thus data) is a utility, similar to hydro or gas. You wouldn't expect your hydro or gas company to tell you how you've used either, would you?
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Internet (and thus data) is a utility, similar to hydro or gas. You wouldn't expect your hydro or gas company to tell you how you've used either, would you?
No, since they do not collect the information from beyond the meter, the best they could do is tell people when the gas was used. However, they would know everything about the gas that entered the meter--just as the telcos know exactly what sort of data you consume.
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Old Jul 23rd, 2014, 08:21 AM   #27
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Internet (and thus data) is a utility, similar to hydro or gas. You wouldn't expect your hydro or gas company to tell you how you've used either, would you?
Every packet of data on the internet goes to or comes from an IP address. I think we should be able to see, day by day, the amount of data exchanged with each IP address. Not dissimilar to your phone bill.

Of course, this would cause and explosion of storage requirements for the ISP. Right now they keep track total bytes used per customer per day. Keeping track of each IP address would multiply that by a factor of hundreds or thousands. Which would require expensive hardware and raise privacy concerns.

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Every packet of data on the internet goes to or comes from an IP address. I think we should be able to see, day by day, the amount of data exchanged with each IP address. Not dissimilar to your phone bill.

Of course, this would cause and explosion of storage requirements for the ISP. Right now they keep track total bytes used per customer per day. Keeping track of each IP address would multiply that by a factor of hundreds or thousands. Which would require expensive hardware and raise privacy concerns.

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You'd really want to see the source/destination IP for all of your internet usage? I can't fathom why, unless you were trying to snoop on someone. The amount of noise would be astounding, too. A single webpage of ehMac connects to tons of IPs, because of all the ads and other services embedded in the pages.

Telecom utilities are fast heading towards unlimited usage for all services. My phone service and texting are unlimited, as is my mobile data. I've had unlimited internet at home for almost a decade. Tracking usage is really a thing of the past.
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Old Jul 23rd, 2014, 09:02 AM   #29
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But the data is associated with his account. It doesn't matter what he did with it, he used it. That is the way I look at it.
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Every packet of data on the internet goes to or comes from an IP address. I think we should be able to see, day by day, the amount of data exchanged with each IP address. Not dissimilar to your phone bill.

Of course, this would cause and explosion of storage requirements for the ISP. Right now they keep track total bytes used per customer per day. Keeping track of each IP address would multiply that by a factor of hundreds or thousands. Which would require expensive hardware and raise privacy concerns.

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Also.. what does it gain you, with ad networks and complicated cdn networks.. the data would be pretty meaningless to humans.

One thing I would like Apple to do is to add an auto reset for a given day of the month to go with my billing cycle.
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