Mac2Sell.net is a great tool for estimating the value of your Mac, but you could also do a local search on Kijiji to see what similar systems are going for. The estimate you got is generous. Ultimately it's simply a matter of what people are prepared to pay for it. List it for whatever price you think it's worth on Kijiji and if someone buys it... cool.
In terms of your Adobe software, the other posters here are correct (and I'm surprised your professor didn't educate you on licensing rights when he provided the disk to you). Educational licenses are intended exclusively for the purpose of learning. Sometimes there are discounts available to people upgrading from an educational license to a full license, but in such cases you are expected to be the owner of the educational software... which you clearly are not. If your professor rightfully distributed software to students under a volume license, the EULA clearly states that the software must be used exclusively for the activities of the business who owns the license.
As a result, no matter how you slice that melon, you are illegally using the software on your Mac since the license was never in your name, you no longer are part of the university organization, and you aren't a student. You aren't the first to do it but I can tell you that if you ever were to get one of the random software Auditor visits that do happen more frequently to businesses and freelancers of all sizes, you will be forced to purchase and provide proof of purchase of valid licenses for all of your software within a short period (3-6 months). If you fail to comply, there are huge fines and possibly jail time involved.
You're not just tinkering with photoshop creating memes in your basement, you stated that you profit from the software commercially. That right there is what can get you into trouble. No need to get defensive about it... people here are just trying to save you a world of pain. And as another poster already mentioned, Retinas are going to come installed with Lion (and soon, Mountain Lion). There are issues with versions of Adobe CS 4 and under in Lion+. As such you'll likely be needing to upgrade anyway.
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Mac2Sell.net is a great tool for estimating the value of your Mac, but you could also do a local search on Kijiji to see what similar systems are going for. The estimate you got is generous. Ultimately it's simply a matter of what people are prepared to pay for it. List it for whatever price you think it's worth on Kijiji and if someone buys it... cool.
In terms of your Adobe software, the other posters here are correct (and I'm surprised your professor didn't educate you on licensing rights when he provided the disk to you). Educational licenses are intended exclusively for the purpose of learning. Sometimes there are discounts available to people upgrading from an educational license to a full license, but in such cases you are expected to be the owner of the educational software... which you clearly are not. If your professor rightfully distributed software to students under a volume license, the EULA clearly states that the software must be used exclusively for the activities of the business who owns the license.
As a result, no matter how you slice that melon, you are illegally using the software on your Mac since the license was never in your name, you no longer are part of the university organization, and you aren't a student. You aren't the first to do it but I can tell you that if you ever were to get one of the random software Auditor visits that do happen more frequently to businesses and freelancers of all sizes, you will be forced to purchase and provide proof of purchase of valid licenses for all of your software within a short period (3-6 months). If you fail to comply, there are huge fines and possibly jail time involved.
You're not just tinkering with photoshop creating memes in your basement, you stated that you profit from the software commercially. That right there is what can get you into trouble. No need to get defensive about it... people here are just trying to save you a world of pain. And as another poster already mentioned, Retinas are going to come installed with Lion (and soon, Mountain Lion). There are issues with versions of Adobe CS 4 and under in Lion+. As such you'll likely be needing to upgrade anyway.
Just to add a couple of points... using software in the manner the OP is suggesting does not constitute piracy as he is not reproducing it and selling it for profit illegally. That would constitute piracy.
He would be breaking EULA's but that is a much lesser offence and one that would only be addressed in civil court where he could potentially be subject to a fine and he would have no criminal record for his actions. Piracy on the hand is a criminal offence that can be punishable with jail time and would carry with it a criminal record.
Truth be told, if he were able to get the software he is looking for working without a license and using it even for commercial work it is HIGHLY unlikely he would ever get caught and brought to civil court.
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Perhaps the school had an agreement with Adobe where they could distribute copies to students complete with license numbers for education use only and may not continue using the software afterwards for anything other than practicing. If the uPhone purchased his own education license, he would've been free to continue using the software commercially after school.
screature, uPhone does remind me of ArtistSeries who you've had a few online scuffles with if I remember correctly.
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Perhaps the school had an agreement with Adobe where they could distribute copies to students complete with license numbers for education use only and may not continue using the software afterwards for anything other than practicing. If the uPhone purchased his own education license, he would've been free to continue using the software commercially after school.
screature, uPhone does remind me of ArtistSeries who you've had a few online scuffles with if I remember correctly.
Could be but I don't recognize the name "ArtistSeries"...
BTW I had no scuffle with uPhone, he was put "On Vacation" before I could reply to him directly, but referring to anyone here, let alone whole groups of people as "idiots" is completely unacceptable and punting worthy IMO.
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I'm speaking from personal experience working for a company that had a software audit a few years ago. I learned that software audits can happen to anyone... and they are thorough. A company can get burned from an employee installing their own personal software even legitimately licensed to that employee. You can be an independent freelancer or a large corporation... audits are completely random.
While I'm sure you're correct on the finer points of what is considered a lesser offense, software EULAs are pretty clear about intent of use in terms of the extent of licenses (this could be the difference between immediate fines, jail time and/or grace period extended to correct licensing).
In this uPhone's case, it doesn't sound like his current situation would be covered by a license provided to him by a professor from a previous educational experience in his current enterprises. While the license may be valid (to the institution that it was provided to), it would only be for the extent of that institution's activities (commercial or educational). It doesn't sound like the uPhone's current activities have anything to do with that educational institution, so he'd get burned.
Ultimately it's up to uPhone if he's willing to take the risk. It sounds like he's comfortable with it, but perhaps he wasn't aware of those risks or the extent of validity of his use of the software. It's all moot anyway if he gets the Retina though... he wouldn't be able to legitimately upgrade his software as the key is associated with an educational facility that he is no longer associated with.
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screature,
I'm speaking from personal experience working for a company that had a software audit a few years ago. I learned that software audits can happen to anyone... and they are thorough. A company can get burned from an employee installing their own personal software even legitimately licensed to that employee. You can be an independent freelancer or a large corporation... audits are completely random.
While I'm sure you're correct on the finer points of what is considered a lesser offense, software EULAs are pretty clear about intent of use in terms of the extent of licenses (this could be the difference between immediate fines, jail time and/or grace period extended to correct licensing).
In this uPhone's case, it doesn't sound like his current situation would be covered by a license provided to him by a professor from a previous educational experience in his current enterprises. While the license may be valid (to the institution that it was provided to), it would only be for the extent of that institution's activities (commercial or educational). It doesn't sound like the uPhone's current activities have anything to do with that educational institution, so he'd get burned.
Ultimately it's up to uPhone if he's willing to take the risk. It sounds like he's comfortable with it, but perhaps he wasn't aware of those risks or the extent of validity of his use of the software. It's all moot anyway if he gets the Retina though... he wouldn't be able to legitimately upgrade his software as the key is associated with an educational facility that he is no longer associated with.
Agreed when operating for a company... when a freelancer it is the wild, wild west....
I worked in a corporate environment in the marketing communications department of a multinational company for 5 years and the thought of using unlicensed software was completely unheard of... now that I work in the public sector it is virtually impossible, so no need to tell me of the risks involved at a corporate level... but who at a corporate level has access to install software on a network other than IT staff replete with their passwords etc?? None that I know of... maybe on some small scale private business.
What I am saying is if you are working at a freelance level, which means commercially/for profit even if you are running unlicensed software it is highly unlikely anyone will know, as who exactly is going to audit the software you are running?
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Hmmm... but just wondering what the OP actually considers who, what and why they consider such reply posters to be regarded as "retarded" and "Idiots" etc.
It seems to me, those phrases should be applied to the original poster as a minimum.
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