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Old Jul 25th, 2012, 06:16 AM   #11
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It's a T4i in a smaller body, bringing a great sensor and excellent video capabilities, as well as a touchscreen LCD.

Nothing game-changing, but not behind the curve either. The major news is the EF mount adapter. This camera with the 40mm pancake or other smaller lenses like the 28 1.8 will be awesome.

I will not buy one even though I'm a Canon shooter. I want a BIGGER camera, not a smaller one. Just picked up the 5D MKIII and I'm already yearning for the 1DX lol. I realize I am in the minority, but I just don't have a need for a camera like this right now. Won't rule it out in the future though!
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Old Jul 25th, 2012, 10:16 AM   #12
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Given that so much of photography involves direct sunlight, I would not consider a touch screen display to be an advantage. Especially where there is no built-in flash.
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Old Jul 25th, 2012, 10:22 AM   #13
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I don't quite know what that means. Personally, I try not to take photographs in direct sunlight.
I love the idea of a touch screen, especially to lock in focus. I use it on my iPhone all the time.
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Old Jul 25th, 2012, 11:12 AM   #14
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I don't quite know what that means. Personally, I try not to take photographs in direct sunlight.
I love the idea of a touch screen, especially to lock in focus. I use it on my iPhone all the time.
If you like a full contrast range, one area where shooting RAW is a huge advantage, then sunlight is your friend.
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Old Jul 25th, 2012, 11:28 AM   #15
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I think Canon is following the footstep of the Nikon 1 mirrorless interchangeable lens (MIL) camera in that the EOS-M is targeted more toward the P&S crowd as an upgrade. The big difference between the two systems is that Canon opts to have an APS-C sensor in the EOS-M vs. a much smaller imaging sensor in Nikon 1.

It is possible that both companies use their respective MIL cams to test this market segment and the technology. At some future time both Canon and Nikon could offer a much more capable APS-C MIL cam in the consumer/prosumer segment and abandon DSLR. At such time DSLR could only be a pro market camera with a full frame sensor.
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If you like a full contrast range, one area where shooting RAW is a huge advantage, then sunlight is your friend.
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I think he was talking about bright, direct sunlight - the kind that washes out even the best LCDs, and therefore makes touchscreens difficult to use.

Really bright, direct sunlight has nothing to do with RAW, dynamic range, or contrast... Except for the fact that it creates so much contrast you often need additional lightning to avoid harsh shadows.
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I think Canon is following the footstep of the Nikon 1 mirrorless interchangeable lens (MIL) camera in that the EOS-M is targeted more toward the P&S crowd as an upgrade. The big difference between the two systems is that Canon opts to have an APS-C sensor in the EOS-M vs. a much smaller imaging sensor in Nikon 1.

It is possible that both companies use their respective MIL cams to test this market segment and the technology. At some future time both Canon and Nikon could offer a much more capable APS-C MIL cam in the consumer/prosumer segment and abandon DSLR.
At such time DSLR could only be a pro market camera with a full frame sensor.
The market segment may need testing by Canon and Nikon but Olympus and Panasonic have already successful "tested" the technology and currently own the market segment between them both (Sony is a distant 3rd). Canon and Nikon are behind the curve in this segment and are playing catch up.

As for the touchscreen that other people are mentioning this is nothing new for either Olympus or Panasonic...

I doubt either Nikon or Canon will be dropping the DSLR for the consumer/prosumer any time soon as they simply have too much invested in that market segment with too large a base of users who would be a little PO'd if they simply abandoned them.
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???

I think he was talking about bright, direct sunlight - the kind that washes out even the best LCDs, and therefore makes touchscreens difficult to use.

Really bright, direct sunlight has nothing to do with RAW, dynamic range, or contrast... Except for the fact that it creates so much contrast you often need additional lightning to avoid harsh shadows.
I almost never shoot in bright sunlight i.e. in the late morning through to the late afternoon because it makes for very flat light. For me, generally speaking, I like light and shade in photos and bright direct sunlight doesn't provide for that. I prefer to shoot in the morning or the evening (even at night as well) as for my taste the lighting just provides for more appealing results.
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I think Canon is following the footstep of the Nikon 1 mirrorless interchangeable lens (MIL) camera in that the EOS-M is targeted more toward the P&S crowd as an upgrade. The big difference between the two systems is that Canon opts to have an APS-C sensor in the EOS-M vs. a much smaller imaging sensor in Nikon 1.
That's what it looks like, but I've read (sorry, no link for the moment...) that at least in North America they will be focusing on specialty stores like B&H and the like, not big box outlets.

Not to mention that the 22mm pancake is clearly an enthusiast lens, and apparently that will be the main kit available in the U.S.

So there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what it appears to be and Canon's plans for it.

The only explanation that comes to mind is that a number of Panasonic and Olympus models were originally designed for p&s upgraders in Japan and other Asian markets, yet proved surprisingly popular with enthusiasts in the West. So maybe Canon is not just expecting the same thing to happen with its new system, but planning for it.
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Just reading this - do you really think the smaller bodies will drain from the SLR market???
I think it might be good for the full sized market providing a bridge to the bigger cameras.

I had a specific need with the 4/3 met and that has some play for others as well but I think it may simply expand the market for the "component" cameras. I really like I can slim down to really a point and shoot with no view finder and then snap a few bits on for more options. ( bought the EVF and like it ).

I'm a Pannie fan ( not just cameras ) but I would think Canon cannot afford to be in the market segment.
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