I have no care what it looks like. But there is no way a G3 is as slim with a lens as the the others without a viewfinder.
I must admit I am partial to a viewfinder and do like the swing out lcd.
G3 versus GX1
But I think I will have to go handle a G3. What pancake lense is the best value for it or should I just get one of the packages.
I offered one of the Kiji sellers $500 with this lens
14-42mm image stabilizing Panasonic lens
Rechargeable lithium ion battery
Battery charger
Shoulder strap
USB and audio/video cable
Software CD-ROM
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Last edited by MacDoc; Apr 22nd, 2012 at 07:30 PM.
True, the EVF adds bulk/thickness. Still, all but the tiniest pancakes make the point moot. Mount any zoom (except the pricy new 14-42 pancake power zoom) and you need a heck of a pocket.
For pancakes, you have 14mm/2.8 (relatively inexpensive, tiny wide-angle; good but not great for low light); 20mm/1.7 (bigger, higher quality "normal" lens, good for low light, but slow focusing especially on older models); 17mm/2.8 Oly (much maligned but not so bad general-purpose lens); 14-42 power zoom (basically a compact-cam lens, only interchangeable).
A nearly-new G3 with the regular, non-power-zoom 14-42 is OK at $500, again not great. $618 brand new right now at B&H (black model only) or $650 @ Vistek w/ Canadian warranty.
Cheap and cheerful?? GF1 with 3 lens for $300 - no further details
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I can't see what all those lenses are apart from some kind of old Canon mounted on the body... basically with this setup you are using the camera as a sort of "digital back" for old all-manual lenses. The photos will look 2x magnified compared to film. The body being worth somewhere around ~250-300, the lenses are basically free.
IMHO you should have at least one AF lens for your workhorse (the 20/1.7 or a 14-42 kit zoom make good choices, or maybe the 14/2.8 pancake if you're into wide-angle), and you can add something like an old 50/1.4 or 85/1.8 for your rainforest needs, unless you're shooting really fast-moving subjects. But you have to be prepared for a much slower user experience.
These old lenses can be great if you are the kind of person who doesn't mind taking some time to compose a shot, but most people will just find them inconvenient.
Well spotted. Judging by the finger grip textures, none of them are Panny lenses. On this basis, I wouldn't even consider this one any further, myself.
I have a GF2 with the kit 14-42mm lens. I bought it to use with a couple of adaptors mainly the Canon FD and Leica M to M4/3 body these are dirt cheap off eBay out of HK. Downside with the adaptors is you wind up with full manual or aperture preferred automation.
My wife does a lot of wildlife photography, I do the more human stuff but for birding you do not want to go with a body without a viewfinder whether it be digital like the G3 or a full fledged DSL. I have the removable EVF for my GF2 after I discovered it's shortfall with shooting in bright sunlight, basically the LCD is pretty much useless and if I'm shooting with IR filters forget it it is impossible to see. The EVF makes it useable although being removable it is also very easy to accidentally knock off!
Because there is a 2X crop factor with all lenses on M4/3 cameras that 100-300mm is actually a 200-600mm. I bought all my gear through B&H Photo in NYC since they ship to Canada with GST in and with their cheapest shipping option (Purolator) there is no brokerage fee which can be really expensive.
The G3 with the 100-300mm would make an interesting birding kit though we shoot with a Canon 7D with Sigma 50-500mm but there is a huge difference in size and weight.
The EVF makes it useable although being removable it is also very easy to accidentally knock off!
Yup. Almost lost mine at a music festival last year. Would definitely have lost it had I been alone -- a little tangle in the strap or on the way into the bag, and it can just slide out as quiet as you please.
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The G3 with the 100-300mm would make an interesting birding kit though we shoot with a Canon 7D with Sigma 50-500mm but there is a huge difference in size and weight.
I think MacDoc really has his heart set on a compact body for reasons not necessarily related to birding. That being the case, I'd say the GX1 as in his OP is probably the best fit.
His lens kit could be just a birding lens and a pancake for everything else, without worrying about a basic kit zoom.
I just don't think it's wise to buy any model with the previous-gen sensor at this time.
There is one for $700 all in brand new - maybe this is the best route and live with that lens for a while.
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX1K 16 MP Micro 4/3 Compact System Camera with 3-Inch LCD Touch Screen and Lumix G Vario 14-42mm Zoom Lens, F3.5-5.6 ASPH Mega O.I.S. (Black)
Yes I'm set on the smaller body as a long term goal as with a pancake lens I can have it on the bike in my pocket and a birding lens in a case.
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His lens kit could be just a birding lens and a pancake for everything else, without worrying about a basic kit zoom.
I just don't think it's wise to buy any model with the previous-gen sensor at this time.
Yup that's the end game goal and yes new sensor
- you think I can sell the G Vario 14-42mm Zoom Lens, F3.5-5.6 ASPH Mega O.I.S. on it's own?
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Last edited by MacDoc; Apr 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 PM.
Guy with the "Camera , brand new , Panasonic Lumix DMC-G3 with Lens" came back at $550.
who me??
appreciate the feedback guys.
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That 14-42 is the most basic of kit lenses, and I think you should hang onto it at least while learning the ropes with the new camera. You can certainly sell it but don't expect to get a whole lot. It adds around $75 to the cost of a kit and sells for around $150 on its own. (Assuming it is the one in posts no 7 and 15. There is also a pancake version, but I'm pretty sure that's not what you're getting.)
If you want a cheap pancake, the 14/2.8 can often be found new on eBay for ~$150. (List price is about $400 in Canada.)
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