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Old Jul 28th, 2015, 10:32 PM   #11
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I know you do not very well agree with pm-r, rgray. His aversion to nuke-n-pave and all that. But I do agree with him on this, right now, in this case: take out the ancient HDD, and put it in an external enclosure.
Put in a new HDD or even SSD, and give it a brand new install of 10.10.4 or whatever OSX version you want. Heck, upgrade the ram in that Mac also.
As you rightly know, you can start migrating manually or via Migration Assistant, and stick to a dual boot system with the ancient Leopard disk as an external.
Software wise, I bet there wil be some stuff requiring Rosetta still, so it would be unwise to altogether lose Leopard or Snow Leopard fallback. On top of that, and as has been remarked before, the original HDD has well overshed its MTBF hours. A new drive is in order in any case.
Well, just my 2 €cents. I'm from Barcelona, I know nothing. Wink.
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Old Jul 28th, 2015, 10:43 PM   #12
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I have the TimeMacine backup in hand and will have a fresh copy of the user folder before I start. So what more does cloning give me?

I am aware that there may be issues with 3rd party applications.

It is fairly clear that Yosemite can read 10.6.* TimeMachine archives. I am seeking confirmation that it will work from 10.5.*, Worst come to worst I have a DVD installer for 10.6 if need be. I think the machine could use a nuke-n-pave job in which case it would be easier to do that and save a step with the Yosemite installer stick....... if it would then be able to read the extant TimeMachine.

I don't think Apple has mucked about with changing how TM works very much so it should all work with any Migration, after all, they'd look pretty stupid if their own TM Backup didn't even work.
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Old Jul 28th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #13
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I know you do not very well agree with pm-r, rgray. His aversion to nuke-n-pave and all that. But I do agree with him on this, right now, in this case: take out the ancient HDD, and put it in an external enclosure.
Put in a new HDD or even SSD, and give it a brand new install of 10.10.4 or whatever OSX version you want. Heck, upgrade the ram in that Mac also.
As you rightly know, you can start migrating manually or via Migration Assistant, and stick to a dual boot system with the ancient Leopard disk as an external.
Software wise, I bet there wil be some stuff requiring Rosetta still, so it would be unwise to altogether lose Leopard or Snow Leopard fallback. On top of that, and as has been remarked before, the original HDD has well overshed its MTBF hours. A new drive is in order in any case.
Well, just my 2 €cents. I'm from Barcelona, I know nothing. Wink.

Just for the record, I don't have an aversion to using any nuke-n-pave, and my eldest Apple Authorized technician was probably one of the first to even use it and the expression many years ago.

It's just that so much has changed with the later OS X versions that there doesn't always seem to be as much reason to use it, especially when it would be for the same user.

And assuming that things were working properly and no huge hassles.
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Old Jul 28th, 2015, 11:04 PM   #14
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There has been a major change, though: Time Machine used to work with Server Message Block ( aka Microsoft Samba), but has changed over to using Apple Filing Protocol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_(OS_X)
When exactly that change happened I'm not able to find on short notice. Hence the caution not to erase the original startup disk. TM backup for it may be difficult to read/recover if under a different protocol. Although the Samba part may only apply to elderly Time Capsules. Looks like typical network storage stuff. Not sure right now.
And, pm-r: Apple has been known to look pretty stupid. Specially latterly. Shame on them.
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Old Jul 28th, 2015, 11:28 PM   #15
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And, darn, Yosemite has changed over to SMB for file sharing yet again! E.g.: Sharing Files, Devices, and Services on Your iMac (Yosemite Edition) | File Sharing on Your Mac | Que
That is why rgrays inter operating system question is not obvious here. What has Time Machine done in the meantime? And when?
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Old Jul 28th, 2015, 11:35 PM   #16
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There has been a major change, though: Time Machine used to work with Server Message Block ( aka Microsoft Samba), but has changed over to using Apple Filing Protocol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_(OS_X)
When exactly that change happened I'm not able to find on short notice. Hence the caution not to erase the original startup disk. TM backup for it may be difficult to read/recover if under a different protocol. Although the Samba part may only apply to elderly Time Capsules. Looks like typical network storage stuff. Not sure right now.
And, pm-r: Apple has been known to look pretty stupid. Specially latterly. Shame on them.

Thanks for the info, and correction hexdiy, and I was trying to be nice about Apple, and how they might handle TM and its backups.

And then again, there's the issue of the backup and Migration Assistant if its also going to be involved.

I'd sure want to keep a virgin backup somewhere, but then again, I've always relied on and used and suggested CCC.
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Old Jul 28th, 2015, 11:52 PM   #17
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CCC is by no means a foolish option! Time Machine is only easy, incremental backup. CCC or SuperDuper copies are fully fledged (bootable if you want them to, CCC the only one to backup a Recovery partition) Archive Copies!
Only thing is, rgrays client does not have one! That's why I'm trying to analyse that TM...
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Just for the record, I don't have an aversion to using any nuke-n-pave, and my eldest Apple Authorized technician was probably one of the first to even use it and the expression many years ago.
FWIW, and for the record, I first heard the term "nuke 'n' pave" from a Unix technician in 1983 shortly after I bought my first real harddrive (a 20mb [yes megabytes] Seagate if memory serves) So it has been around at least since then, meaning essentially what we (i!) mean by it today (erase and re format at "low-level").....
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.............. they'd look pretty stupid if their own TM Backup didn't even work.
I'm not quite confident enough in that to bet the farm on it just yet without either more info or an 'exit strategy'...... Apple has abandoned stuff before now.... 68000 chip series, PPC chip series, Mac-OS, Classic, Rosetta, floppy disks, optical drives, and now even hard drives!!!, iPhoto, Aperature...... not a short list when you come to think of it.....
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Put in a new HDD or even SSD, and give it a brand new install of 10.10.4 or whatever OSX version you want. Heck, upgrade the ram in that Mac also.
The OP didn't identify the specific model of iMac, but the first iMac to ship with 10.5 was the Apple iMac "Core 2 Duo" 2.4 20-Inch (Early 2008).

iFixit has excellent repair guides for all models of iMac to help swap the internal HD with something more modern. I would absolutely go the SSD route to give that puppy a performance boost with Yosemite. I've seen people bitching all over the place about how the OS X 10.10 upgrade pooched their systems, and inevitably it's folks with standard HDs. I can only say that my SSD-equipped MBP just sings with Yosemite installed (and 8 gigs of RAM).

Plus - A seven-year-old hard drive: how much more of a reliable lifespan does it have?

As for a SuperDuper! clone - My personal Rule #1: always ensure you have one complete, original copy of the user's system and data before doing anything, just in case. You can't rely on just copying off the /Users/username/ folder, as I've encountered too many folks who intentionally or not have saved data to the root level of the drive, or in /Applications/ etc. You never know....
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