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Old Jun 25th, 2015, 08:53 AM   #11
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My trusty 27" iMac is starting to lag performance wise (beach balls, slow to open programs). I'm willing to put $300-$400 into some upgrades (SSD?), but don't know what kind of ROI I can expect performance-wise. Looking at newer gen iMacs but having a tough time justifying the investment in a new unit unless it brings significant performance improvements. Any suggestions on how to breathe new life into my 2009 machine?

Here's what I'm running as my daily work machine:
Late 2009 27" iMac
2.8 Ghz i7
12 GB Ram
1 TB HD (about 30% full)
OSX 10.8.5

Primary tasks include graphic design (Photoshop, InDesign Adobe CC apps) and some light video editing in iMovie etc.
Before you spend any money on hardware, this question.

How old is your basic OS install before updates and upgrades? When is the last time an OS was "clean" installed?

Your machine may benefit from a full bore "nuke 'n' pave" erase-and-write zeros erasure to remap bad sectors, followed by a fresh install of the OSX level of your choice, with fresh installs of software (and NOT-installs of cruft you didn't use anyway). Fresh settings all round and documents copied back, no clones or TimeMachine restores allowed. You want to get to fresh everything. Then the setup of your machine will be the best it can be and you can bet a decent read to properly evaluate its peformance.

You might be surprised how much this process can pick up lagging performance.
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Old Jun 25th, 2015, 12:19 PM   #12
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Hmmm…???? [Quote] "Fresh settings all round and documents copied back, no clones or TimeMachine restores allowed. …"

Just wondering how the OP will accomplish that, especially with "no clones or TimeMachine restores allowed"…??? or why???
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Old Jun 25th, 2015, 12:48 PM   #13
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Hmmm…????

Just wondering how the OP will accomplish that, especially with "no clones or TimeMachine restores allowed"…??? or why???
Because clones and TimeMachine just reload a lot of unnecessary cruft and can perpetrate (and perpetuate } issues.

How to do it?

I can't believe this is being asked!!!!

Just make a plain, vanilla copy of the user folder(s) and recopy selected documents, media libraries and so on into their respective places (Document, Desktop, Pictures, etc., etc.) in the new install after eliminating all the useless garbage we all have hanging around. There is really no need to perpetually save everything other than to assuage one's OCD predilections....

A colossally simple 'olde skule' solution!!!!

Clones have their place when you need to get up and running fast after a disaster. TimeMachine is great for reverting to older versions. But when it comes to cleaning house, they lack the selectivity required to do a good job!!!

IMHO.... Just my $0.02Cdn.... YMMV.....
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Old Jun 25th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #14
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I don't know if there would be any improved difference between using the Finder, which you seem to be suggesting, and/or using Carbon Copy Cloner to select individual folders to do the same thing. And some users seem to muck things up when they start copying some files and folders, like their photos and music and other media etc. it seems much too often.
Anyway, to each their own I guess…

PS: CCC intentionally does NOT clone back most of the "unnecessary cruft" which is documented in its FAQ and as suggested and recommended by Apple, which interestingly doesn't even heed their own advice with what Time Machine does, or how it does it for that matter.
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Old Jun 25th, 2015, 08:20 PM   #15
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With all due respect, PM-R, both Time Machine/ Migration Assistant and any kind of clone will copy back "unnecessary cruft" like malware and adware to your cleanly installed system. That is why rgray has a very good point in propagating a "nuke-n-pave" followed by a meticulous manual reinstall for hard cases.
I myself am running a very unclean system, but have not experienced issues. When they emerge, however, I will solve them the hard way.
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Old Jun 25th, 2015, 08:25 PM   #16
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With all due respect, PM-R, both Time Machine/ Migration Assistant and any kind of clone will copy back "unnecessary cruft" like malware and adware to your cleanly installed system. That is why rgray has a very good point in propagating a "nuke-n-pave" followed by a meticulous manual reinstall for hard cases.
I myself am running a very unclean system, but have not experienced issues. When they emerge, however, I will solve them the hard way.

I won't disagree that a Nuke 'N Pave can sometimes be beneficial, but I dare say it's overkill and much too time consuming for the average user to do, AND have everything work as they want. It was sure easier and easier to do in the Mac System days, but not so with OS X and it gets worse with every updated version.

Yes, a clone will include any malware and adware, but I would haver thought a user would get rid of any such crap before doing any backup.

One reason that CCC was suggested for cloning is it will omit a lot of surplus stuff that will get rebuilt when everything is cloned back. For a complete list see:
https://bombich.com/kb/ccc4/some-fil...om-backup-task

Anyway, I know the CCC clone and zero-out the drive and clone back definitely works to speed things up as a ehmac.ca member suggested some years ago. It still works.

And one gets a new mapped out HDD and new file directory with very little file fragmentation and everything working as one wants.
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Indeed, PM-R, thanks for the link. As rgray has already stated, A bootable CCC clone is the fastest way to get your Mac up and running again. I've already experienced a case where the HDD seemed to carry a corrupt system, but CCCloning the apparently dead HDD to a new one did the trick. That very same system has been running steady for 3 years on end now...
But thanks to the great Time Machine, any user will auto-backup all of the crap collected on his system.
The thing is: with stubborn issues that cloning or Time Machine trick really won't cut the chase. When a "spring cleaning" is effectively the order of the day, nothing will do but a "nuke-n-pave" and manual reinstall. Period.
Hope I don't live to see the day with my own Macs, though :-)
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My 2 cents: 12 Gig isn't that asymmetrical? - I've maxed my iMac to 16 (pretty cheap upgrade)

Also, if you don't want to open up your machine, prices have dropped for external SSD drives. Not sure if your machine is Firewire or Thunderbolt but that's definitely an option.

The decision for a full clean install is yours: I do one perhaps every 5 years. I you're using aps which log your licenses by machine, then don't forget to de-authorise them prior to cleaning up/reinstalling.
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If performance is degrading with the same apps that you've always used (no major upgrades), then you should be able to spruce it up a bit without doing anything drastic.
+1 with CM's statement.

You have a unit that is screaming for a new SSD, and you can max the ram out to 32GB.

I would roll with such a upgrade 1st, along with a fresh coat of OS install.

w/ 12GB of ram, I'm not sure what your config is. I'm assuming 2x2 and 4x2. I might toss the 2x2, and add 2x8 sticks, bring you to 24GB. And that will not require wholesale changes at the RAM level. Projected cost: $100-$150.

Then getting a SSD will also be a must in this case. On the cheap? I'll say a 256GB unit. if you want to keep it @ just apps and some extra, and use an external for data.
Or go to 512GB?? Either way, SSDs have never been cheaper. Projected cost: $125-$250 ish.

I don't think it's worth getting a new unit.

With the extra savings, you could scoop a 2nd 2560 monitor for a few hundred bucks, or get gangster and get a 4k monitor. , and turn your get up into a Ravishing Retina™ setup. Granted, you don't have the craziest vid card, but it's worth a try.



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