Which Mac browsers use a different rendering engine....

krs · Mar 3rd, 2007, 11:32 AM

than Firefox and Safari?

I'm trying to access a standard pull down menu on a website. The pull down menu doesn't come up with either Safari or Firefox.
I assume there is no point trying it with Camino, Shiira or Mozilla type browsers since they use the same HTML rendering engine than Safari and Firefox.

So instead of trying every Mac browser in a hit and miss fashion, I thought I'd ask for some suggestions.
Here is the list of Mac browsers that I think exists today.

http://www.pure-mac.com/webb.html

biovizier · Mar 3rd, 2007, 12:02 PM

Actually, my understanding was that Firefox and Safari use different engines. Safari (as well as Shiira and OmniWeb) use WebKit (which is KHTML based), whereas the Mozilla family use the Gecko engine. I think Opera and iCab individually use their own respective engines. The old Explorer 5.2.3 probably is distinct as well.

Odds are the problem site requires IE for Windows and is just a crap site, in which case the suggestion would be to complain and get them to fix the site rather than waste time trying out a bunch of browsers...

MacDoc · Mar 3rd, 2007, 12:11 PM

Try SeaMonkey = I've found it pretty remarkable.

krs · Mar 3rd, 2007, 12:19 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by biovizier
	Actually, my understanding was that Firefox and Safari use different engines. Safari (as well as Shiira and OmniWeb) use WebKit (which is KHTML based), whereas the Mozilla family use the Gecko engine. I think Opera and iCab individually use their own respective engines. The old Explorer 5.2.3 probably is distinct as well. Odds are the problem site requires IE for Windows and is just a crap site, in which case the suggestion would be to complain and get them to fix the site rather than waste time trying out a bunch of browsers...

Yes - Firefox and Safari do use different rendering engines. I didn't mean to imply they didn't - just the opposite, by trying both Safari and Firefox, I thought there is no point using some of the other browsers you mentioned since they use the same basic engine as either Safari or Firefox.
I'll try Opera, iCab and SeaMonkey MacDoc suggested.

I do have an email in with the website admin, but I don't expect to hear back until Monday so I was trying some other simple things in the meantime.
Using the old IE for the Mac was a real disaster - it brought the site up completely unusable.

krs · Mar 3rd, 2007, 12:31 PM

Well, I tried SeaMonkey and iCab - same problem.

I guess I have to be patient and wait until Monday to hear what the website admin has to say.

rgray · Mar 3rd, 2007, 01:59 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by krs
	Well, I tried SeaMonkey and iCab - same problem. I guess I have to be patient and wait until Monday to hear what the website admin has to say.

Sounds like crappy code on the site..

SeaMonkey <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/> is Mozilla, hence Gecko..

jamesB · Mar 3rd, 2007, 10:41 PM

Does this site render properly using ie on a windows machine?

krs · Mar 3rd, 2007, 11:44 PM

I have no clue. The one Windows machine I have here is not hooked up to the net.

There is only one pull down menu that I'm trying to access that doesn't show up the way it should - I only know that because I initially could not find that admin option and the ISP coordinator sent me a screenshot where the pull down menu is.
That's when I found out that this part of the site is different on my Mac than the screen shot he sent.

I often find that web pages look somewhat different in different browsers - usually not too much to matter, but I remember cases with commercial websites where the ordering button just didn't appear on Safari - Firefox was fine.

I'm just going to wait until Monday to see what the ISP says...I can now add another email listing all the browsers I tried. It has to be more than a browser issue IMHO.

anachronism · Mar 4th, 2007, 01:31 AM

When I was setting up a cell phone for my mom with Virgin Mobile, the final accept button wouldn't show up on Safari, after trying three times I downloaded Firefox and it went through fine.

Have you tried changing what the browser identifies itself as to the website. ie with Telusmobility, I can't see wallpapers or ringtones etc with Safari but if I use the debug menu to address itself as IE 6.0 for Windows, everything is fine.

mguertin · Mar 4th, 2007, 01:37 AM

Try Opera? Opera uses it's own engine and has bailed me out with some sites that only IE worked with in the past.

I second the motion of crappy code though if it doesn't work in Gecko or Webkit.

Mark

Mar 3rd, 2007, 11:32 AM	#1
krs Honourable Citizen Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Belleville, Ontario Posts: 5,973	Which Mac browsers use a different rendering engine.... than Firefox and Safari? I'm trying to access a standard pull down menu on a website. The pull down menu doesn't come up with either Safari or Firefox. I assume there is no point trying it with Camino, Shiira or Mozilla type browsers since they use the same HTML rendering engine than Safari and Firefox. So instead of trying every Mac browser in a hit and miss fashion, I thought I'd ask for some suggestions. Here is the list of Mac browsers that I think exists today. http://www.pure-mac.com/webb.html

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Mar 3rd, 2007, 12:02 PM	#2
biovizier Full Citizen Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: londonon Posts: 326	Actually, my understanding was that Firefox and Safari use different engines. Safari (as well as Shiira and OmniWeb) use WebKit (which is KHTML based), whereas the Mozilla family use the Gecko engine. I think Opera and iCab individually use their own respective engines. The old Explorer 5.2.3 probably is distinct as well. Odds are the problem site requires IE for Windows and is just a crap site, in which case the suggestion would be to complain and get them to fix the site rather than waste time trying out a bunch of browsers...

Mar 3rd, 2007, 12:31 PM	#5
krs Honourable Citizen Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Belleville, Ontario Posts: 5,973	Well, I tried SeaMonkey and iCab - same problem. I guess I have to be patient and wait until Monday to hear what the website admin has to say.

Mar 3rd, 2007, 10:41 PM	#7
jamesB Full Citizen Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 968	Does this site render properly using ie on a windows machine?

Mar 3rd, 2007, 11:44 PM	#8
krs Honourable Citizen Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Belleville, Ontario Posts: 5,973	I have no clue. The one Windows machine I have here is not hooked up to the net. There is only one pull down menu that I'm trying to access that doesn't show up the way it should - I only know that because I initially could not find that admin option and the ISP coordinator sent me a screenshot where the pull down menu is. That's when I found out that this part of the site is different on my Mac than the screen shot he sent. I often find that web pages look somewhat different in different browsers - usually not too much to matter, but I remember cases with commercial websites where the ordering button just didn't appear on Safari - Firefox was fine. I'm just going to wait until Monday to see what the ISP says...I can now add another email listing all the browsers I tried. It has to be more than a browser issue IMHO.

Mar 4th, 2007, 01:31 AM	#9
anachronism Full Citizen Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Burnaby, BC Posts: 201	When I was setting up a cell phone for my mom with Virgin Mobile, the final accept button wouldn't show up on Safari, after trying three times I downloaded Firefox and it went through fine. Have you tried changing what the browser identifies itself as to the website. ie with Telusmobility, I can't see wallpapers or ringtones etc with Safari but if I use the debug menu to address itself as IE 6.0 for Windows, everything is fine.