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Old Oct 10th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #1
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Need some advice on upgrading RAM on MacBook Pros

I'm looking for some input about upgrading a 2.2 GHz MBp and two 2.4 GHz MBps

These units:

MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.2 15" (SR) Specs (Mid/Late 2007, 2.4/2.2GHz*, MA895LL, MacBookPro3,1, A1226, 2136) @ EveryMac.com

and

MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.4 15" (08) Specs (Early 2008, MB133LL/A, MacBookPro4,1, A1260, 2198) @ EveryMac.com

These all take the same type of RAM, DDR2 667MHz.

For both of these MBp-types it states that they are supported by Apple to take up to 4 GB but that OWC tested them up to 6 GB and they worked fine.

So - a few specific questions (stad upgrade is of course 2x2GB), but...

1. Can I upgrade them to 4 GB by just using a 4 GB DDR2, 667 module and leaving the second slot empty?

2. Can I upgrade them to 5 GB by adding a 4 GB module and keeping the existing 1 GB module

(I would expect the answer to be yes to both questions above if 2+4GB works

3. If I install two 4GB modules, will the MBp boot and work (up to the 6 GB max. of course - ie it just ignores the extra 2GB of the second 4GB module?

BTW - the 4GB modules are all "Apple" RAM.
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Old Oct 11th, 2011, 11:13 AM   #2
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I'm looking for some input about upgrading a 2.2 GHz MBp and two 2.4 GHz MBps

These units:

MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.2 15" (SR) Specs (Mid/Late 2007, 2.4/2.2GHz*, MA895LL, MacBookPro3,1, A1226, 2136) @ EveryMac.com

and

MacBook Pro "Core 2 Duo" 2.4 15" (08) Specs (Early 2008, MB133LL/A, MacBookPro4,1, A1260, 2198) @ EveryMac.com

These all take the same type of RAM, DDR2 667MHz.

For both of these MBp-types it states that they are supported by Apple to take up to 4 GB but that OWC tested them up to 6 GB and they worked fine.

So - a few specific questions (stad upgrade is of course 2x2GB), but...

1. Can I upgrade them to 4 GB by just using a 4 GB DDR2, 667 module and leaving the second slot empty?

2. Can I upgrade them to 5 GB by adding a 4 GB module and keeping the existing 1 GB module

(I would expect the answer to be yes to both questions above if 2+4GB works

3. If I install two 4GB modules, will the MBp boot and work (up to the 6 GB max. of course - ie it just ignores the extra 2GB of the second 4GB module?

BTW - the 4GB modules are all "Apple" RAM.
1)yes, but you will lose dual channel
2)yes
3)no, those units wont boot with 8GB installed
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Old Oct 11th, 2011, 12:17 PM   #3
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Thanks,

Just what I thought reading about it although I don't really understand why the extra RAM is not just ignored when one installs 8 GB, ie 2 4GB modules.
This seems to be a really good summary about the ins and outs of RAM used on Intel Macs:
Understanding Intel Mac RAM - Mac Guides

I'm going for the 5GB otpion, 1+4, makes the most sense capacity and $$$ wise.
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Old Oct 11th, 2011, 01:11 PM   #4
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I was gonna upgrade my 3.1 Macbook to 6 GB of RAM. I was told that if the RAM isn't matched (i.e. 2GB + 2GB) you lose "interleaving" or something like that. Some people say that the performance increase of an additional 2GB is greater than the penalty for not having interleaving. However I seem to remember I was checking performance benchmarks and the advantage was great from 1GB to 2GB and from 2 to 4 etc. but there was only a slight difference between 4GB and 6GB so I decided on 4GB for me.
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Old Oct 11th, 2011, 01:46 PM   #5
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What you loose by not using matched pair is what is called "dual channel" as mentioned in broads reply.

The article I posted states:

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All Intel Core Macs support dual channel memory access if matching modules are installed. The customary estimate is that this gives a 6% - 8% real world performance benefit.
What I read elsewhere is that the performance improvement gained with unmatched 2+4GB RAM (no dual channel) is greater than with 2+2GB RAM (with dual channel).
I was originally going to buy a 4GB upgrade kit, 2+2GB, but then I found a 4GB RAM module a lot cheaper than a 2+2GB kit, so I'm leaning towards that rather than a 2+2 kit provided there is not a huge downside to it.
That way I can also keep one of the original 1GB modules and end up with 5GB total which I hope is going to help vs the 2GB total RAM these MBPs came with specifically if I have a lot of applications open.
That's what I'm really trying to address - too many applications open causes the Mac to slow down until I close some applications.
Sounds to me that there is too much swapping going on between the existing 2 GB of RAM and the hard drive.
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What I read elsewhere is that the performance improvement gained with unmatched 2+4GB RAM (no dual channel) is greater than with 2+2GB RAM (with dual channel).
this. you're better off having slower access to more RAM than incrementally faster access to less.
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