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Old May 4th, 2003, 06:45 AM   #1
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I have a bus powered 40 GB pocket drive with USB and FW.

I want to be able to format it so that it can be mac bootable and still have a NTFS partition

i've been fooling around between and betwixt my mac and my win2k machine. neither recognizes the other's partition and as such i am forced to format the entire drive whenever i switch computers

FAT32 is not an option since, although recognized by the mac os and mounted, mac sfw. cannot be run from the partition.

NTFS is not recognized on the mac

i am starting to think i will need 2 pocket drives, one formatted for windows, NTFS, FAT32 and the like and the other for mac OS 9 exteneded

perhaps there is a utiltiy that i am missing out on?

ideally i would like to be able to attach the one drive to either the mac or the win2k machines and run sfw. from their partitions. without having to re-format each time
bootable paritions would be even nicer.

thanx in advance.
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Old May 4th, 2003, 10:56 AM   #2
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I remember from Linux that it would read and write to HFS but not HFS+ and using fdisk you could then reformat a partition to ext2...maybe the same can be done in NT using fdisk or another utility.
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Old May 4th, 2003, 11:10 AM   #3
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seems that fdisk is not supported in the command prompt in win2k

if i boot the PC from a DOS diskette, i know that it won't support HFS nor HFS+

i will hunt for an utiltiy

thanx for the idea
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Old May 4th, 2003, 11:20 AM   #4
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Ok...can Linux format NTFS?

Create two HFS partitions, connect the drive to a Linux box and mount the partitions... format just one that can then be mounted on a NT system. NT does read other formats...yes? Then, connect to the NT box and reformat again. Just a thought.
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Old May 4th, 2003, 02:58 PM   #5
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NT/2000 only read NTFS or FAT32
there are utilities to allow NT/2000 to read mac volumes but this defeats the purpose of have an NTFS partition

when formatting NT/2000 does NOT recognize the HFS partition and therefore formats the entire drive

same happens with the Mac and NTFS partitions

However, if I find a utility for my Mac to read NTFS and then hopefully the format sfw. for the Mac will recognize the NTFS partition and avoid it when creating an HFS or HFS+ partition that might do the trick

OR CONVERSELY

a utilty for win2k woud recognize the Mac partition and when formatting would only recognize the EMPTY portion of the drive
i think i have seen this utility called MacMount or something like that

thanx again for the brainstorm, i'm off to the internet to hunt....
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Old May 4th, 2003, 05:53 PM   #6
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Looks more and more like I will need a 2nd drive.

the 2 platforms do not respect the partions created by the other.

even though i have have installed trial versions of MacDisk and MacDrive 2000 on my win2k machine

it will let me mount a mac formatted drive, but will NOT let me create a NTFS partition along side the HFS+ partition

the best scenario i can come up with is to format the drive as HFS+, make it bootable and then i can store Windows sfw. on it. To x-fer the Windows files from the Mac volume to the Windows machine, i would need to download the trial version of either of the above sfw. to let the Windows machine see the volume.

windows files can be stored on a mac volume and therefore x-ferred to a windows machine using the above sfw.

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Old May 5th, 2003, 12:00 PM   #7
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First of all, you need to pay attention to the MacWindows site for any Mac-Windows related issues.

Secondly, check out DOS Mounter, it may be able to do what you need (Format Mac & Windows FS on same disk).
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Old May 5th, 2003, 12:10 PM   #8
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the problem, as i have found out, is that both FS want to use the zero boot sector. Both FS do not recognize the other during formatting so both formatting sfw. see the entire drive to be formatted and hence the issue.

the Iomega people created a special formatter that allowed both FS to share that area, but there are issues there as we all well know.

the FSs are not compatible on the same drive.

The sfw. called MacDrive 2000 (a control panel in windows) will let me mount a Mac formatted volume on a windows machine. I primarily need the USB/FW drive for mac work and windows files reside quite nicely on the HFS+ FS. They won't run from the mac drive of course, when the drive is attached to the mac, but they sit there very nicely. I can then copy the sfw. to the windows machine and off i go. i can even run the windows sfw. from the mac volume mounted by the macdrive 2000 control panel in windows. not a bad comprimise IMHO.

Long term solution is a 2nd USB drive as budget allows.

Thank you for your suggestions.
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Old May 5th, 2003, 12:25 PM   #9
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on the macwindows site, as i was directed by GG to look at, there is a product called Disk Drive Tune Up v.3 that allows for UDF formats and HFS, HFS+, FAT16

a demo is supposed to be online but alas the link goes nowhere.

http://www.softarch.com/us/products/ddtu.html

i have sent an email to them and will report results when they become available
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Old May 5th, 2003, 12:40 PM   #10
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He probably really needs FAT32 support (FAT16 is of limited use with an iPod, for example it can't see drives larger than 4GB and doesn't work with Windows iPod software).

Another solution is to use XPlay which allows using a Mac-formatted iPod as either a filesharing device or a music player on Windows.
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