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Old Dec 24th, 2010, 12:11 PM   #31
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iWork is a total piece of crap. Very clunky, and nonstandard.
Best total piece of crap office suite I ever used
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Old Dec 24th, 2010, 12:11 PM   #32
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If ONLY one could sync Entourage contacts with Mobile Me, than I would switch to MS Office full time. I have a paid iWork but Ive never used it........
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Old Dec 24th, 2010, 12:30 PM   #33
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open office is free!
You get what you pay for.

(will look into neooffice then maybe eat my words)


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Old Dec 25th, 2010, 08:46 AM   #34
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Open Office is, imho, like the only girl left at the bar at 3am. Handy, but FUG-LY!!!

Personally, I did not switch to a Mac to use software that makes System 6 look sleek and sexy. I use a Mac because I'm into elegance, logic and functionality.

OO (et al) has functionality up the ying-yang, but all the elegance of a bus station and about as much logic as a Republican.

"It's FREE!" is the siren song, though, and that's certainly a big plus -- but it's just not enough (particularly when inexpensive and MUCH higher-quality software exists). It's a Good Thing that last girl at the bar is there -- sometimes -- but I couldn't bear to wake up the next morning with THAT on my computer. Just MHO.
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Old Dec 29th, 2010, 03:50 PM   #35
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OMFG.

Word 2011 is a stinking pile of fetid s***.

Upgraded a week or two ago, but this is the first time sitting down to do a big job (and of course, with an "urgent" deadline).

I'm trying to edit a 400-page manuscript. Every bloody tool I need is hidden, missing or disabled. I am not amused.

Why can't I "Accept All" changes in a document with Tracking Changes enabled?

Where the hell is the footer formatting palette? (it ain't in the toolbox)

Why does the Reviewing pane/sidebar thingy NOT give you "next" or "previous" options?

WHO DESIGNED THIS THING? (If "designed" is the right word).

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UPDATE: Oh you silly sons of *******es. 90% of the functionality of everything is lost if you decide NOT to use the stupid Ribbon, and instead go for the "old" Word 2007 interface with formatting, etc., toolbars. Lovely. Just Lovely.

UPDATE 2: WTF? You can't use Command-' to toggle between document windows?
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Old Dec 29th, 2010, 04:15 PM   #36
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is it really that different than the last one?
i haven't installed this version yet and may hold off IF it is as bad as u say.......
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Old Dec 29th, 2010, 04:35 PM   #37
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"It's FREE!" is the siren song, though, and that's certainly a big plus -- but it's just not enough (particularly when inexpensive and MUCH higher-quality software exists).
Agreed 100%! It's a productivity suite, for goodness' sake. We're willing to invest a little cash if it means increasing our productivity. I don't care if it's free if it costs me time each time I use it.

I miss FrameMaker - It didn't have a horrible interface, it didn't have stupid ribbons, and it forced you to learn to use stylesheets properly, increasing your productivity.
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is it really that different than the last one?
i haven't installed this version yet and may hold off IF it is as bad as u say.......
Y'know, SD-B, it's really not that different from the last one. The last one was crap, and this one is crap too.

It's adding formatting willy-nilly, changing font faces as it desires, etc. I swear, Microsoft has managed to create artificial intelligence. It does what it wants, when it wants, and it's just not that smart. In fact, it seems to suffer from severe cerebral deficiencies.

I may just open this up in Pages, be productive, and export to Word, hoping that these 400+ pages all come out properly formatted....
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I guess I should say that at home my wife and I's needs are VERY light for office type apps so in our case the simple OO works very well for us. It does what we need and IMO while not fancy is simple and uncluttered...and doesn't use ribbon's for menu's.
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I agree with you to a certain extent. There are literally dozens of head-scratchers buried in the Office suite. To me the most egregious ones are the inconsistencies between apps in the suite. But I think that the thing to keep in mind here is that Microsoft's intention was to move the UI and functionality of Word 2011 for Mac closer to Word 2010 for Windows. I wouldn't be surprised if they are targeting switchers, rather than upgraders (2008 to 2011).

For me the biggest issue is stability. The apps are always crashing on me; pressing command+s is like a reflex action now.

Having said all of that, many of the complaints that you raise actually do have solutions, or are non-issues. Like it or hate it, the ribbon was never intended to be switched off. It seems like some commands are only available through the ribbon. I don't really like it, but I do like how some of the commands are context sensitive, unlike the toolbox in Word 2008.


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Why can't I "Accept All" changes in a document with Tracking Changes enabled?
You can. It's in the Review tab in the ribbon.

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Where the hell is the footer formatting palette? (it ain't in the toolbox)
It's in the ribbon when you click inside the footer. Unless you're trying to format page numbers within the footer, in which case it's in the Document Elements tab (don't ask me why, or how long it took me to figure that one out!)

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Why does the Reviewing pane/sidebar thingy NOT give you "next" or "previous" options?
Again, it's in the Review tab of the ribbon

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WHO DESIGNED THIS THING? (If "designed" is the right word).
Good question. The ribbon leaves a lot to be desired, but it's getting there. I think that it has more potential than the formatting toolbox of the previous version. But it simply doesn't make sense why many of the commands are repeated in the menu bar.

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WTF? You can't use Command-' to toggle between document windows?
Sure you can. Maybe your keyboard is busted?
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