Seriously annoying OS X bug - rant warning

MacAndy · Jul 6th, 2005, 02:09 PM

Have been encountering problems with directories on an ftp site of a web portal to which a client logs in and reviews web content before we make it live.

A few older drafts of this project needed to be removed, yet somehow these .trash files started showing up all over the place. They include deep, nested crap that I certainly did not upload to the directory in the first place.

Seems to me that there is a serious bug with OS X [what else is new, frickin' unix garbage] that allows the OS to copy a .trash file into an ftp directory.

But get this... the .trash file seems to be coming from duplicates of that folder which is being reuploaded. That is, the old project folder with the same name is sitting in the trash and a new version of that folder with updated content is uploaded to the ftp site, and along comes this locked file that is a realy nuisance.

Add to this the incredibly annoying fact that an application can remember an old folder, even days after the fact, and save files directly into that folder while it is in the trash. Who the hell wrote this glaring error in the OS????

Can Apple please cut the crap that is this shareware written-in-a-parents-basement-by-some-geek unix crap and deliver their OS on something that doesn't flood our systems with caches and crap that constantly require attention???

rant over, for now

ArtistSeries · Jul 6th, 2005, 02:16 PM

This behaviour is not limited to FTPing - any file/folder that you will move from OS X to a windows network will contain a "ghost" file with the same name of the file (except with the . in front). This is annoying if you share a lot of files.

MacAndy · Jul 6th, 2005, 02:36 PM

So, here we are, FIVE YEARS into OS X, OS 9 never had this problem that I am aware of. It's serious flaw. Just wait for someone to save an incredibly precious file directly into their trash and empty that trash without even knowing it happened.

Another thing that pisses me off is... when you list a folder contents and want to select a file that starts with Z, you type Z but it highlights the last folder in that column, not the folder contents column.

Wow, have they ever missed a whole boatload of problems in the past five years.

I love Macs but the OS leaves a lot to be desired.

Vexel · Jul 6th, 2005, 02:50 PM

I've been searching for some resources on your problem.. but I can't find too much. It doesn't seem like it's a "Big" thing for most. Do you have any documentation that I can read. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's your fault.. it very well probably is OS X. But.. I just can't find anything about the issue.

I found a topic which talked about File Ghosting.. and it doesn't seem to happen with most files. It is those which need resource forks and such (Don't know much about it).

Again.. I'm not picking.. I just need some info to help

I'd love to.

MacAndy · Jul 6th, 2005, 03:18 PM

There's not much more I can tell you other than my real life experience, and being as it is now almost 20 years, I'm getting somewhat disillusioned that Apple has led their OS down this path and had 5 years to head off any of this type of problem.

Anyone can try this... create a folder, save a file into it. With the file open, move the folder to the trash. See if the file saves without an error message. Now, Save As... and see if the dialogue box points you right into the trash. Of course, you'll only see the name of the folder at the top, not the full path until you pull it down.

If nobody else can generate this then yes, I should toss in the rag now and go live on a farm somewhere. I will still know that *MY* OS X failed miserably.

Don't get me wrong either, I'd much rather be "doing" OS X than windoze.

ArtistSeries · Jul 6th, 2005, 03:23 PM

Vexel, part of the "problem" is the very nature of OS X.
Most Mac users are not even aware of the dual attachments when sending email. By dual, I mean that a windows users will receive two attachments with the same exact name but different sizes. I have had to patiently explain to Mac users how they can send attachments to XP users (most mac users said it must be a windows thing without exploring further).
On a PC/Mac network transferring to a PC you will always get the "problem". From a Mac, you don't see the problem, from a PC yes.

ArtistSeries · Jul 6th, 2005, 03:25 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by MacAndy
	Anyone can try this... create a folder, save a file into it. With the file open, move the folder to the trash. See if the file saves without an error message. Now, Save As... and see if the dialogue box points you right into the trash. Of course, you'll only see the name of the folder at the top, not the full path until you pull it down.

Saving to the trash is really disturbing - I have done it by accident and then went looking for my file.
This "stuff" never happened with OS 9, should never happen with OS X....

MacAndy · Jul 6th, 2005, 03:57 PM

Exactamundo...

And, another truly annoying and glaring oversight in OS X...

updated files do not change their modified dates until you click on the filename - holy lame-o OS batman.

Maybe they'll fix this with the Intel-based OS X Kitten?

but at least I still don't do windoze

HowEver · Jul 6th, 2005, 04:11 PM

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rneale · Jul 6th, 2005, 04:40 PM

ArtistSeries,
Can you patiently explain to me how to send attachments? The same problem just turned up when I sent a file to my boss. She is demanding an explanation.
Thanks.