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Old Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:58 PM   #1
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Help! I need an OSX font lesson...

My fonts are a mess and I am not sure the right way to set things up in OSX.
I am using 10.3.8, and Suitcase X1 (11.0.2) and use Indesin/PShop/Illustrator CS mostly but still use Quark5.0 in classic mode for a few big projects that are to much to convert over.

My current problem is that I can't seem to get Classic to recognize my fonts that are active in suitcase. they definatly don't auto activate. I get the message when starting Quark that "Suitcase XT plug in will only work with X1 or higher. Suitcase XT functionality will be limited" however I am useing X1 and the plug in is from the X1 folder...

I also get a lot of messages that "suitcase found dupicate copies of font __ please make sure suicase activated the correct font" I assume I just need to clean up my folders and get rid of extra version.

I currently have my fonts in a font folder on the HD, and have Suitcase managing system fonts. Any advice would be great~
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[QUOTE=RyanB]My fonts are a mess and I am not sure the right way to set things up in OSX. I am using 10.3.8, and Suitcase X1 (11.0.2) and use Indesin/PShop/Illustrator CS mostly but still use Quark5.0 in classic mode for a few big projects that are to much to convert over.

Here's MY overview, hope it helps...

Font Organization

There are only a handful of fonts that are actually required by your computer - for dialogue boxes, menus, applications, etc.

Mac OS X mandatory fonts:

- Geneva.dfont
- Keyboard.dfont
- LastResort.dfont
- LucidaGrande.dfont
- Monaco.dfont

A .dfont is basically a TrueType font that has been converted for Unix use [no more Mac OS resource/data files, just data file formats under Unix]. Only the Mac OS uses .dfonts and these should not be used for any print work. The upside of Unix is that the Mac OS can now use Windows TTF fonts, though it is recommended that true Mac format fonts be used when possible.

Some applications require Courier and/or Helvetica. For desktop publishing users, however, PostScript versions of the basic fonts such as: Courier, Helvetica, Symbol, Times and Zapf Dingbats should all be installed. It is a good idea to have these standard fonts installed at the System level at all times.

Mac OS 9 mandatory fonts:

- Charcoal
- Chicago
- Geneva
- Monaco

Again, in a desktop publishing environment, having PostScript versions of key fonts installed at this level will keep your OS 9 applications happy. Other fonts installed with Suitcase under OS X are available to OS 9 applications so they do not need to be placed here for OS 9 to use them.


Clean up procedure

As long as the minimal system fonts listed above are available, the Mac will operate without problem. However, some applications require certain fonts to operate, such as Arial, Courier, Helvetica, Symbol, etc. and there are a few other PostScript fonts which should be installed at the system level to ensure these are in use when creating documents in a print environment, instead of Truetype or other formats.

Hard Drive -> System -> Library -> Fonts
- remove all fonts except those listed above
- delete or relocate these fonts to a folder to manage them with a font utility
- install PS versions of Courier, Helvetica, Times, Symbol and Zapf Dingbats

Hard Drive -> System Folder -> Fonts
- remove all fonts except those listed above
- delete or relocate these fonts to a folder to manage them with a font utility
- install PS versions of Courier, Helvetica, Times, Symbol and Zapf Dingbats

Application Support -> Adobe -> Fonts -> Reqrd -> Base
- remove all fonts except Adobe...MM fonts and all Myriad... fonts.
- delete or relocate these fonts to a folder to manage them with a font utility

Hard Drive -> Users -> "username" -> Font
- if using FontBook, fonts will be installed here for system-wide use
- if using Suitcase, relocate these fonts to a folder to manage them with Suitcase

What is probably happening with XPress 5.0 is, although you're using Suitcase which should let XPress use the fonts managed with it, you may have duplicates in various other locations that XPress is just not able to cope with. My understanding is that Suitcase does make fonts available to Classic apps, though I have not tried this as we do not have 9 running on any of our Macs.

We now have 8 very happy G4s and G5s now that I have implemented these procedures on all of them.

Let me know if this helps, I will ammend my notes for future assistance if required.
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Old Feb 23rd, 2005, 05:56 PM   #3
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Hi RyanB:
There is a very good reference for font usage on the Extensis website. I've attached the link & reference;
http://www.extensis.com/en/downloads...lish&x=17&y=19

Best Practices for Managing Fonts in Mac OS X (PDF) (730 KB)
This document contains detailed recommendations and instructions that can help you work efficiently with fonts in OS X, configure your system to minimize font problems, enhance your workflow.
There are other files which may provide useful information here as well.

Hope this helps.
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