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Old Feb 9th, 2017, 04:39 PM   #1
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As a graphic designer, I created a branding program for a non-profit animal sanctuary in a small community that has a major expansion program underway. Their volunteer board member is doing some of their graphics following the Identity Standards I set up. BUT that person only uses her own PC based MS Word and Publisher. She cannot use Mac Illustrator CS6 .AI vector files (logo, animal vector graphics, etc). She asked if I can convert them to files usable in MS docs. They cannot afford right now to buy a Mac OS and buy Adobe Creative Cloud. Which I don't even want to use!

I can convert the graphics to JPEGs, BUT...
they will be only in RGB colour mode. Problem to prepare an ad for print.
Enlarging will be a problem. If they want to do large sign graphics.
The logo will have a white box around it when placed on a background colour. Amateurish.
etc.

Are there any other suggestions for MS Word?
If they decide to use a Mac at some point, would buying AFFINITY DESIGN be a cheaper option than using Creative Cloud?

Thanks for good suggestions!
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Yoikes.

Well... if they don't already know how to find and install a free Vector graphics program (like Inkscape), you may be in for quite a challenge.... one of which may be educating people that you just can't (shouldn't) do certain things in MS-Word. (Clients From Hell)

RGB mode isn't a problem for many print shops these days. Maybe head off a headache by having them ask their preferred printer if RGB is acceptable.

If they someday go Mac, then Affinity Designer may well be a good choice, though it's not really cheap. It does do Vector though. I'm a huge fan of Pixelmator, which is still RGB-only, and while it has a Vector mode, it doesn't support EPS export (yet). On the bright side, it will open and save to Photoshop format and can frequently be found for half-price (around $15).

However... if they go Mac on your recommendation, they may expect you to provide ongoing tech support as they switch platforms... and that's a level of hell reserved for child molesters and people who talk in theatres.
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Old Feb 10th, 2017, 10:52 AM   #3
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I convert everything to CMYK when it comes in RGB. Our digital press does not convert well and images, particularly people pictures look way to red.

If this was our customer I would supply them with proper PDF's of their logos (native .ai files not really necessary anymore but supply if they ask). They can use these files and give to any other shops for print use with signs or whatever. You can create PNG files of their logos that have transparent background, those work in Word and just about anything I believe and have no white background.

I would not worry about RGB for their own in house use as any printer they use will most likely not be printing colour accurate anyways.
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Thank you for the suggestions.

Does a vector .AI file created in Illustrator and saved as a PDF, stay vector and then placed in MS Publisher?

Can Word or Publisher use and/or enlarge a vector file?

If I supply them their vector logo as PNG, that solves the white background box problem. BUT how would they enlarge that file? Their normal logo use might be 3" or smaller. Yet if they wanted to design a large poster or large exterior sign, wouldn't a PNG logo be pixellated?

Would I have to supply all the logo files as PNG in a range of sizes?

"Just because you own a fine paint brush (or a computer with MS Word), does not make you a Rembrandt".
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Thank you for the suggestions.

Does a vector .AI file created in Illustrator and saved as a PDF, stay vector and then placed in MS Publisher?

Can Word or Publisher use and/or enlarge a vector file?

If I supply them their vector logo as PNG, that solves the white background box problem. BUT how would they enlarge that file? Their normal logo use might be 3" or smaller. Yet if they wanted to design a large poster or large exterior sign, wouldn't a PNG logo be pixellated?

Would I have to supply all the logo files as PNG in a range of sizes?

"Just because you own a fine paint brush (or a computer with MS Word), does not make you a Rembrandt".
I would tell them that designing signs in word or publisher is not a good idea. I would only supply one logo, make it big like 10" if you want (they can resize as they need to) with maximum image quality and 600 ppi, but let them know if they want things done right they should use a professional with professional software and files. Not sure how they are going to create a large exterior sign with Word. Would be better if you had to use office... HAD TO... use powerpoint. Will be simpler for them, drag and drop and can save larger sizes. We have University students save 44" wide PDF's from Powerpoint for print.

A PDF created in illustrator remains a vector file and can be placed back in illustrator and worked on just as an original .ai file.
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Thanks Wonderings,
Yes, I've tried to be polite to say Word will not work very well for their future graphic use. But if you work for a large company where all employees use MS software, they have no idea what the design and publishing industry uses.

To clarify, if I export my Mac Illustrator Logo .AI file as a PDF and send to customer,
can they enlarge the file without deterioration?
Will the background stay transparent?
Will a Pantone two spot colour logo stay as a spot colour in PDF or will it convert to CMYK or RGB in Word?

I will certainly suggest they look at Inkscape.
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Thanks Wonderings,
Yes, I've tried to be polite to say Word will not work very well for their future graphic use. But if you work for a large company where all employees use MS software, they have no idea what the design and publishing industry uses.

To clarify, if I export my Mac Illustrator Logo .AI file as a PDF and send to customer,
can they enlarge the file without deterioration?
Will the background stay transparent?
Will a Pantone two spot colour logo stay as a spot colour in PDF or will it convert to CMYK or RGB in Word?

I will certainly suggest they look at Inkscape.
1 - If you save a PDF from Illustrator it will remain vector, so it will not deteriorate as you enlarge it. Use Illustrators default settings for PDF. If you try and compress then you will have issues.


2 - The background will remain transparent just as it is in Illustrator. I am not sure though how any Office program will handle the transparent background. I know if you drop it in indesign or any proper design/pre press app it will remain transparent.

3 - Pantones and spot colours will remain. It does not convert to CMYK or RGB unless you specifically tell it to. Illustrators Default pdf export maintains colour profiles.
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Thanks, Wonderings.
Appreciate your time to explain.
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Thanks, Wonderings.
Appreciate your time to explain.
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Happy to help. Good luck! I understand first hand dealing with clients who want to use real graphics and do real design in Microsoft Office. I shudder when I get a publisher file, thankfully that does not happen much anymore.
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