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Old Jan 20th, 2017, 12:34 AM   #1
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Documents suddenly become "Read only" - what gives?

I have had two cases today where a document suddenly became read only or I couldn't open it at all because I supposedly didn't have the right permissions.

Trying to figure out what is going on.

I'm on 10.11.5

First document was a two page pdf.
Comes up that it can't be opened because I don't have the right permissions.
The pdf was on my Mac, I had looked at it before, so don't know why there would suddenly be a problem.
Checked Info and it shows that I have read & write permissions.
I changed that to read only, then back to read & write, but that made no difference.
The problem seems to be just with Preview - when I tried to open the pdf with either Acrobat 9 or Acrobat Reader - worked with either one.

The second problem was with an Excel spreadsheet I just updated.
Comes back with the message that I can't update it - to update it I need to assign a different name.
Saved the changes as "untitled" that worked fine.
But then I thought of any changes - I had changed the name of the spreadsheet and added p/o (as in part of).
Turns out if I delete p/o from the name I can update and save it just fine.
Is the Mac OS getting confused because of the "/"?
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Old Jan 20th, 2017, 05:50 AM   #2
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Have you tried a restart on your Mac? I find the current version of Preview is flaky, particularly with pdfs and gifs. It does not behave the same way from day to day. I have reported this to Apple, but who knows if they even read those reports? A restart often bumps it into a different behaviour on my MBP running OSX Sierra 10.12.2.
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Are the documents saved to Desktop or Documents, and do you have iCloud drive turned on for those?
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Old Jan 20th, 2017, 10:48 AM   #4
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Have you tried a restart on your Mac? I find the current version of Preview is flaky, particularly with pdfs and gifs. It does not behave the same way from day to day. I have reported this to Apple, but who knows if they even read those reports? A restart often bumps it into a different behaviour on my MBP running OSX Sierra 10.12.2.
Yes, I did restart the Mac after that happened - no difference.

I find ElCapitan is not as flawless as 10.6 (where I upgraded from).
More awkward to use and more bugs that haben't been fixed.
Instead of trying to crank out a new version of the Mac OS every year, I wish Apple would stick with one, fix the problems.and clean up the User Interface.
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Are the documents saved to Desktop or Documents, and do you have iCloud drive turned on for those?
The documents are in a folder that's on the desktop.
I don't use iCloud at all.
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added p/o (as in part of).
Turns out if I delete p/o from the name I can update and save it just fine.
Is the Mac OS getting confused because of the "/"?
A good possibility as the "/" is computer talk for change directory. Best to avoid using any such characters and some are forbidden and on some list somewhere.


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I find ElCapitan is not as flawless as 10.6 (where I upgraded from).
More awkward to use and more bugs that haben't been fixed.
Instead of trying to crank out a new version of the Mac OS every year, I wish Apple would stick with one, fix the problems.and clean up the User Interface.

+1. Ditto and in full agreement here.

If you think El Cap'n is bad, don't bother trying Sierra.
I tried and there are just too many "features" removed or things that just don't work.

I ended up going back to using Mavericks.

And SL is sitting on a volume partition if and when I need it. Old AppleWorks can still do stuff that not even Apple's latest Pages.app can do.
Gheese, snort!!
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Well, different strokes and all, FWIW, Sierra works flawlessly for me. Having Siri is a great bonus.

Mid 2015 MBP purchased new in July 2016, 1 TB HD 2.8 Ghz, Intel core i7, 16 GB RAM.
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Mid-2015 Retina MBP 13" w/ 8 gigs RAM, Sierra working pretty darn good for me too....

I think one of the keys to smooth sailing with any of the modern versions of OS X is to have an SSD as your boot drive...

YMMV of course.
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I don't think any of my issues with ElCapitan would be resolved with an SSD.

Maybe I notice them more because I went from 10.6 straight to 10.11
I also use a desktop with a 24-inch monitor - no Mike, no camera just headphones for the few times I want to listen to something.
So Siri for me is useless.

Everyone else in the family uses a MacBook pro but they are really hesitant to upgrade - mostly because the old software they are on is very stable and they are used to their UI.
Apple should be ADDING capabilities and functionality, not CHANGING things that worked perfectly fine.
Like "Save As" - getting rid of that was one of their really idiotic ideas, then bringing it back by having to hold the option key down was even more idiotic.
Just one small example that annoys me many times each day.
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Like "Save As" - getting rid of that was one of their really idiotic ideas, then bringing it back by having to hold the option key down was even more idiotic.

Agreed, but you may be able to get it back to the normal Mac way:
[I]Bring back the Save As command to your Mac's File menu[/I
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/bring-ba...acs-file-menu/

And if that doesn't work for you OS, try a search and modify it a bit if needed:
https://www.google.ca/search?client=...NKTP8gf0pbHoAw
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