Rogers Blows It.

dona83 · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:18 PM

Good, more iPhones for the rest of us.

ruffdeezy · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:21 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by twolf3232
	So even though Fido's press release doesn't mention the Hotspot thing, I simply can't imagine them not offering it. If that's the major differentiator (along with no account setup fees and per second billing), I just can't imagine anyone choosing them over Rogers. And it seems that Fido tries to position itself as the urban mobile provider - that would be at odds with not offering Hotspot access. Can it be that there won't be any System Access Fee or 911 Fee? Something else that I couldn't imagine.

There is no mention of the system access fee on the plan page. Every other plan page has the SAF in there. I'm sure they wouldn't take it away though. Fido will offer the hotspot too, especially if Rogers users get to use Fido's. Actually you can use Telus and Bell's hotspots too if you are subscribed to one carriers hotspot option. I can't see anyone choosing Rogers over Fido.

psxp · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:27 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by dona83
	No I think the Rogers 3G plans will allow streaming (YouTube) and VoIP (Skype) unlike Telus' "unlimited" plan.

Apple announced that VOIP will only be allowed (legally) on Wifi data. Developers are not allowed to create (legally) apps to use VOIP on 3G data.

patrix · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:35 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by adagio
	I'd be very surprised if Rogers isn't contracted to sell X amount of iPhones and on the hook for their purchase. You can bet if the iPhone boxes go dusty for a while we'd soon see some sweetening of the pot.

It's what happened here with O2 in the UK. When it first came out, at £199 ($400) for the iPhone + minimum of £35/month ($70/month, no extra SAF etc) it gave:

200 minutes, 200 texts, unlimited data (really unlimited), visual voicemail.

Bad sales etc, after a few months O2 bumped up the minutes to 600, and texts to some insane number (or unlimited, I can't remember right now and can't be bothered to check

), which is in line with O2's other plans at £35/month.

Patrix.

twolf3232 · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:39 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by adagio
	I know there are thousands of ordinary people like myself who don't currently own a smart phone, who are not cell phone junkies. The iPhone was the first of its kind that would get me to shell out extra cash on a phone.

I'm in the same boat as you. I switched over to PAYGO about 4 years ago because I so rarely used my cell phone, I realized that even with my corporate plan, I was effectively paying 1$/min. I'm willing to go to what will effectively be 2$/min for a graceful and bullet-proof mobile internet device with the potential in the App Store and the integration with .mac/Mobile Me.

I'm genuinely curious as to what kind of plans wouldn't have led to this sort of snit and "protest".

Unlimited Data in the $60 plan? OK, not unreasonable considering what's being offered globally.
Buy phone w/o contract? OK, but it wouldn't be $199. We'd be lucky if it held at $399

I'm planning on going with Fido, and right on their webpage it says that you can "Change Your Package Without Charge". So when your protest works and Roger/Fido offer a better deal (say, unlimited data), I'll just change to that, and dona83 and I will have enjoyed our iPhones for a while.

ruffdeezy mentioned that Hotspots should be allowed. I agree with your other point then - That changes it completely, why would anyone pick Rogers over Fido?

slicecom · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:45 PM

	Quote:			Originally Posted by adagio
	I'll state again. I hope folks don't rush out and get the iPhone. Let Rogers warehouse their stockpile for a while. I'd be very surprised if Rogers isn't contracted to sell X amount of iPhones and on the hook for their purchase. You can bet if the iPhone boxes go dusty for a while we'd soon see some sweetening of the pot. I know there are thousands of ordinary people like myself who don't currently own a smart phone, who are not cell phone junkies. The iPhone was the first of its kind that would get me to shell out extra cash on a phone. Rogers truly has blown it. I've been reading the reactions elsewhere. It's not good. Only a handful of people actually believe this is good for us. If you're like me and have been dying for this phone to come to Canada, I hope you will hold off buying for a while. I've waited it seems like forever but I'm prepared to sit this one out. If Rogers comes to their senses and changes their tune I'll be all over the iPhone. If they don't then I'll swallow my disappointment.

That's a nice thought, but the fact is that the uneducated average joe will see iPhone for $200 and a plan for $60 and sprint to the store to buy one.

spoonie · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:47 PM

add me to the list of people that will not be an early adopter.

15$ EXTRA for call-display? are you kidding me?

groovetube · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:53 PM

I've been waiting too, haven't renewed my plan with telus, but after seeing these plans, definitely sitting on my hands until they offer better.

Those plans plain suck.

andyp · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:56 PM

I thought I should bring this to people's attention. It's a little chart I've made up comparing the cost of owning and iPhone in the UK vs USA vs Canada:

"iPhone 3G Costs - UK vs USA vs Canada"

The chart is also posted here: Rogers Blows It.

zlinger · Jun 27th, 2008, 02:58 PM

I will be staying with my iPhone 1.0 $47 plan (total inc. all tax, 200 daytime, free evenings 6pm, 100 long distance, voicemail/call display/200 text, wireless hotspots).

Jun 27th, 2008, 02:18 PM	#111
dona83 Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mission BC Posts: 5,244	Good, more iPhones for the rest of us. __________________ eMac G4 1.25Ghz (six years young) - Dell Vostro V13 Intel SU7300 - iPhone 3GS 16 GB Black Fido "There are only two great tragedies in life, one is to lose your heart's desire, the other is to gain it." -George Bernard Shaw.

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spoonie Full Citizen Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Beaches Posts: 98	add me to the list of people that will not be an early adopter. 15$ EXTRA for call-display? are you kidding me? __________________ MacPro 2.8 8-core-o-rama Mac Mini G4 - Tiger 10.4.11 - HTPC Mac G3 Wallstreet - Panther 10.3.9 iPod, iPod Nano

Jun 27th, 2008, 02:53 PM	#118
groovetube Honourable Citizen Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,367	I've been waiting too, haven't renewed my plan with telus, but after seeing these plans, definitely sitting on my hands until they offer better. Those plans plain suck. __________________ If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested." - Tom Wolfe

Jun 27th, 2008, 02:56 PM	#119
andyp New Neighbour Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1	iPhone cost: USA vs UK vs Canada I thought I should bring this to people's attention. It's a little chart I've made up comparing the cost of owning and iPhone in the UK vs USA vs Canada: "iPhone 3G Costs - UK vs USA vs Canada" The chart is also posted here: Rogers Blows It.

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Jun 27th, 2008, 02:58 PM	#120
zlinger Full Citizen Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 909	I will be staying with my iPhone 1.0 $47 plan (total inc. all tax, 200 daytime, free evenings 6pm, 100 long distance, voicemail/call display/200 text, wireless hotspots).

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