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Old Mar 19th, 2012, 06:38 PM   #61
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When I lived in New York City, I helped a reform Democrat (he would be in the NDP if he were in Canada) get elected to Congress in my congressional district. That was in the Fall. When I was home from university in Dec. he was already working on his re-election bid by going around the district to meet people. Now, sadly, the emphasis is upon raising money for the next campaign as soon as you are elected to Congress. All 435 members of the House of Representatives are up for election every two years, with only about 30-35 senators from the US Senate up for election in that election.

I am very upset over the creation of the Super PACs that, at least in the Republican primaries, seem to be funded by a few very wealthy individuals. Again, while I don't support most of Ron Paul's views, I do respect the fact that he does not have a Super PAC funding his campaign.
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Old Mar 19th, 2012, 06:50 PM   #62
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The fact that politicians of my preference are in the minority is not at all surprising to me.

I'm not sure I understand the latter half of what you are saying, but perhaps we have a slight miscommunication between us. Certainly, my views will likely change over a 30, 40 or 50 year horizon. But I would hope that a particular politician's overall view or vision of the country/province/state/city/what-have-you would not change dramatically during their term--even though some of the promises they made during their campaign may change or not come to fruition.
Could certainly be the case...

But therein lies the rub... either they communicate the party line (in order to appeal to their voter base) or they move to another party (if they are so convicted... in a Canadian context which is out of place for this thread) ... or at least their communications are carefully crafted in such regard (i.e. being part of a party but disagreeing with specific policy and effectively communicating it while remaining within the party context, particularly difficult when the party forms the government BTW).

So... like with the upcoming NDP leadership race where Mulcair seems to want to move the party more to the "centre" for electoral success it seems that the old guard (e.g. Broadbent) are against this and there can be a fundamental shift in policy and "overall view" in a very short period of time "par example" if Mulcair wins the leadership.

Hope that explains what I am talking about... it is a very complex subject indeed and difficult to talk about in an internet forum post in a way that would not require much more space.

Sorry that this post is out of context for American politics... it kind of drifted that way... don't mean to derail...

So it seems like Romney vs. Obama will be the ticket... any guesses as to the victor and the degree of margin of victory?

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Old Mar 19th, 2012, 08:26 PM   #63
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The fact that politicians of my preference are in the minority is not at all surprising to me.

I'm not sure I understand the latter half of what you are saying, but perhaps we have a slight miscommunication between us. Certainly, my views will likely change over a 30, 40 or 50 year horizon. But I would hope that a particular politician's overall view or vision of the country/province/state/city/what-have-you would not change dramatically during their term--even though some of the promises they made during their campaign may change or not come to fruition.
not at all surprising to me either, as good leaders are certainly, very few and far between.
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Old Mar 19th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #64
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anyone see this?
As It Lobbies For Tax Holiday, Apple Admits Hoarding Cash Overseas To Avoid Paying Taxes | ThinkProgress

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Apple is among the companies that make up WinAmerica, a coalition of corporations lobbying Congress for a repatriation holiday. The companies have argued that the holiday would boost economic growth and job creation by allowing them to bring money back either without paying taxes or at a lower rate than the current 35%.
Sound familiar? Corporations crying to the government for leniency on taxes, whispering sweet nothings into the ears of libertarians everywhere with that excited gasp of.... wait for it... job creation!!!!

Oh but...
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There’s little evidence, however, that the holiday would have that effect, even as it has gained favor with Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates. Congress approved a similar holiday in 2004, only to watch companies use it to pay dividends to shareholders before promptly cutting jobs. Kristen Forbes, a member of the Council of Economic Advisers when the 2004 holiday was approved, said it “didn’t accomplish the stated goals of bringing jobs and investment to the US,’’ and afterward, corporations stashed even more money overseas in anticipation of another future holiday.
Further, at a time when the country’s effective corporate tax rate is at a 40-year low (companies that make up WinAmerica are already paying low rates), such a holiday would cost the U.S. $80 billion over the next decade.
Well slap me sillehhh...
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Old Mar 19th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #65
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Sound familiar? Corporations crying to the government for leniency on taxes, whispering sweet nothings into the ears of libertarians everywhere with that excited gasp of.... wait for it... job creation!!!!

Oh but...


Well slap me sillehhh...
I don't care if they create jobs or not. That isn't the responsibility of the companies. However, taxes are too high because the government spends too much and they should be cut--both corporate and personal.
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"So it seems like Romney vs. Obama will be the ticket... any guesses as to the victor and the degree of margin of victory?" My prediction, scrature, is Pres. Obama will win with 325 electoral votes. We shall see.
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Old Mar 19th, 2012, 09:08 PM   #67
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I don't many people care what libertarians think I'm afraid.
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I don't many people care what libertarians think I'm afraid.
What about drummers?
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Probably about the same.
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I don't care if they create jobs or not. That isn't the responsibility of the companies.
I'm glad you understand this; I wish more conservative supporters would quit using the mantra of job creation to justify the asinine policies they espouse. The responsibility of corporations is to generate profits for their share-holders. Nothing else.

Therefore, if we as a society want corporations to behave in certain ways (and not others), we have to make it unprofitable to do the things we don't want them to do, and profitable to do the things we want them to do. Governments can play a role here (by legislating against the most egregious behaviours and enforcing large fines for infractions, and possibly by taxing less egregious but still undesirable actions). But the biggest influence is going to be the economic choices customers make: we've got to be willing to buy products made by companies doing "the right things" (even if they're more expensive), and refuse to buy from companies doing "the wrong things" (even if they're offering products or services for less than their competitors).

This is why the Wal-Martification of our economy is a serious problem. Consumers have been trained to look for the "best deal" without thinking about the impacts those purchases have on our society and our ecosystem. I see this as another problem Governments could help with: a government supported web-site with consumer information about the corporate behaviours of all the corporations operating in Canada would be a very valuable tool for people like me who want to be informed consumers, but don't always have the time, energy or expertise to search for the relevant info and critically evaluate the sources.
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