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Old Aug 14th, 2012, 07:52 AM   #621
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Sadly, Ryan wants to slash the programs which helped him get to where he is now. .
Both Obama and Ryan both forwarded plans to reduce the cost of Medicare. The only difference between the two plans is that Obama enacted his Medicare costs already. Having done so himself, president Obama will find it difficult to attack Ryan's plan--which is of course, only Ryan's own proposal of 2010, contained in his Path to Prosperity proposal—not that of Mitt Romney.
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Old Aug 14th, 2012, 09:06 AM   #622
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one has to think that the appointing Ryan will (at the very least) lose Florida for Romney.
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Old Aug 14th, 2012, 09:10 AM   #623
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I don't think so. Ryan points out that his mother is a Florida senior, and that the Medicare program will remain untouched for anyone older than 53. Again, however, Ryan's plan was his own--it is not clear that this will be Romney's Medicare plan.
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Old Aug 14th, 2012, 09:37 AM   #624
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I don't think so. Ryan points out that his mother is a Florida senior, and that the Medicare program will remain untouched for anyone older than 53. Again, however, Ryan's plan was his own--it is not clear that this will be Romney's Medicare plan.
Very unwise to take him at his word. He is a politician and his lips were moving, it is very likely he was lying. Again he is a politician so selling out his own mother would be a part of his nature.
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Old Aug 14th, 2012, 10:04 AM   #625
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Why bother debating politics at all if you believe that all statements of politicians are lies? I take a dim view of government, but I don;t assume everyone in government is totally debased.
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Old Aug 14th, 2012, 11:00 AM   #626
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Why bother debating politics at all if you believe that all statements of politicians are lies? I take a dim view of government, but I don;t assume everyone in government is totally debased.
I believed Ronald Reagan would cut spending. I believed Richard Nixon had nothing to do with Watergate. By the time Gary Hart came along I no longer believed but was still royally pissed that his fling diverted attention from far more important issues. Had I believed Obama I would indeed have been sadly disappointed. Better to presume the worst and on very rare occasions be delighted to be proven wrong, than to take them at their word and be continually disappointed.
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Old Aug 14th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #627
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why debate when things in reality don't support your hopes (dreams?)

It's important to call out the lies. Every citizen should be engaged. The only reason politicians lie is because they know most people wont debate politics, and don't care, so they get away with spouting just outrageous lies.
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Old Aug 14th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #629
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I suppose you're referring to the idea of throwing billions of dollars into solar cell manufacturers and wind power back holes when it's clear that this fails even a basic cost-benefit analysis. Agreed.
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Old Aug 15th, 2012, 10:07 AM   #630
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I'm sure if one adds up the many trillions and trillions of dollars spent, and the massive number of lives lost due to fighting wars to protect oil supplies, I bet that would fail a real cost-benefit analysis.

Except if you're the one getting your bank accounts fattened up with no real loss to you over it all.
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