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The American Political Thread

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Something I've noted several times is that, while most of us agree it's important to be informed about Canadian politics and to be an engaged citizen, the fact is that Canadian politics are generally pretty boring (this can be a good thing, IMO). The Americans, on the other hand, have turned the dysfunction of their political system into an entertainment industry (although it appears Harper, et al., are determined to reduce the Canadian system to the same level).

So I thought I'd start a thread for discussion of the Reality TV show they call American Politics.

I'll start with this posting I saw on another forum, with respect to the Republican's policies on women's health care, especially with regard to contraception and abortion:
After years and years and years of specifically targeting homophobes, racists, bigots, religious zealots, anti-intellectuals and sociopaths why should we be at all shocked that the GOP picked up a ****load of misogynists along the way?
 
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I disagree. The situation in Syria and Libya were also started by the Bush's, Bush Jr. just didn't have the brains to figure out how the dominoes would fall after invading Iraq and quite frankly I don't think he would have cared even if he had the brains or the heart to care.



Yes I agree that Obama's policies are complicit in what is happening in Libya and Syria but the UN and NATO are more directly and seriously to blame as is Putin.



Putin wants the world to be destabilized, it is part of his agenda to make "Russia Great Again". No wonder he and Trump are kissing cousins or more like likely bum buddies seeing as they both seem to want to f**k the world (up).



I know this is not PG reading but since when has ehMac been rated PG?

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#10,582 ·
Gee, screature, thx for the measured response.

Fine. I'd go back to FDR personally, but there are probably some who have a defendable case against the Founding Fathers...

Come on. Really? Every world leader blames his/her predecessor for the crap situation when they took over the reins. It not what you inherited that counts. It's what you do with it.

Barry made it worse.
I figured you were a big boy and could handle it as you have given out much worse... Maybe in our youth we could have settled it on the scrimmage line. ;)

You don't need to go back to FDR or the founding fathers, just go back to who started a war with Iraq. That would be Bush Sr. Everything else since then is his progeny and lies at his feet and I am sure that he feels sad that his son could not finish what he started.
 
#10,584 ·
Yeah I know but for some reason I felt the need to say it, I really don't know why.

Interestingly enough, the other forums I frequent where people tend to be more respectful overall, have no problems with four letter words, but they do take exception when members take a rude tone or insult one another. You know, basic gas lighting or trolling behaviour. It's the basic decorum despite differing approaches and viewpoints that is the sign of a mature forum discussion.


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#10,585 ·
Pres. Bush crashed the car into a tree and then threw the keys to a burning car to Pres. Obama.
Yep.

The analogy that I have is this this:

Someone starts a fire and lets it burn and then the fire department is called and they say it is out of control and beyond their ability to stop it on their own unless they get some more help. But in the mean time thousands of homes and lives are lost.

Who is to blame? The person who started the fire or those who could not put it out?

I think you know what my answer would be but for some strange reason some people here think that it is the firefighters to blame for their failure to put out the fire and not the person who started the fire.
 
#10,586 ·
Nobody says that Bush did a great job--but Obama tried to put out the fire with gasoline. What I liked about Trump's campaign is that he acknowledged Bush's failure in invading Iraq. Given the bad precedent of Iraq, I don't see why Obama tried to force regime change in Egypt, Libya, Ukraine and Syria. The Iraq invasion did not lead to these demands on Obama's part.
 
#10,587 ·
Interestingly enough, the other forums I frequent where people tend to be more respectful overall, have no problems with four letter words, but they do take exception when members take a rude tone or insult one another. You know, basic gas lighting or trolling behaviour. It's the basic decorum despite differing approaches and viewpoints that is the sign of a mature forum discussion.


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I hear you and I had to stop myself recently from going on a personal rant to someone here and deleted the post completely.
 
#10,588 ·
I figured you were a big boy and could handle it as you have given out much worse... Maybe in our youth we could have settled it on the scrimmage line. ;)

You don't need to go back to FDR or the founding fathers, just go back to who started a war with Iraq. That would be Bush Sr. Everything else since then is his progeny and lies at his feet and I am sure that he feels sad that his son could not finish what he started.
Destabilizing Iraq and Iran goes back way before Jimmy Carter. A beautiful bi-partisan effort. Neither party has its hands clean.
 
#10,589 ·
Nobody says that Bush did a great job--but Obama tried to put out the fire with gasoline. What I liked about Trump's campaign is that he acknowledged Bush's failure in invading Iraq.
How so? Please explain.

You post a lot but often with very few words to explain yourself. It seems that you don't think it is worth your time and everyone should just "get" where you are coming from.

However, not every one speaks "Macfurines" and cannot read your mind and so taking the time to explain yourself would be beneficial to the readers of your posts who are not inside your head.
 
#10,590 ·
I hear you and I had to stop myself recently from going on a personal rant to someone here and deleted the post completely.

Yup. It just works so much better if we accept each other's differing views and leave it at that sometimes. I was reading an article about how it's actually pretty much impossible for right wingers to convince left wingers and vice versa. Political preferences actually become hard wired into our brains or something.


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#10,591 ·
Destabilizing Iraq and Iran goes back way before Jimmy Carter. A beautiful bi-partisan effort. Neither party has its hands clean.
The middle east hasn't been stable since... well forever. So your point is moot. All we can deal with is looking back a couple of decades to see who started the current chitestorm and on this current front the Bush's are clearly to blame as the ones who started this particular fire.
 
#10,592 ·
As I said earlier, Iraq had become somewhat stable. A partisan decision to pull put most uS troops created a horrible power vacuum that caused Iraq to implode and create a breeding ground for ISIS. It may not have been palatable for Obama to keep troops there for somewhat longer, but it would have been prudent. That restarted the fire. Forcing regime change in Libya, Syria and Egypt was the gasoline on that fire.

Likewise, Obama's economic plans involved inflating endlessly inflating currency though quantitative easing and other methods. He replaced the housing bubble with a stock market bubble. More gas on fire.

Obama started his administration with a $9-trillion cumulative deficit and bitterly complained about it. It's now $20 trillion and would have been higher if Congress had approved the numbers. More gas on a fire. I can't imagine $11 trillion having so little effect on economic growth, but he managed that too.

How so? Please explain.

You post a lot but often with very few words to explain yourself. It seems that you don't think it is worth your time and everyone should just "get" where you are coming from.

However, not every one speaks "Macfurines" and cannot read your mind and so taking the time to explain yourself would be beneficial to the readers of your posts who are not inside your head.
 
#10,593 ·
Yup. It just works so much better if we accept each other's differing views and leave it at that sometimes. I was reading an article about how it's actually pretty much impossible for right wingers to convince left wingers and vice versa. Political preferences actually become hard wired into our brains or something.


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Both in hockey and football there is a centre position as well. Funny that.. I played centre for my high-school football team.
 
#10,594 ·
The middle east hasn't been stable since... well forever. So your point is moot. All we can deal with is looking back a couple of decades to see who started the current chitestorm and on this current front the Bush's are clearly to blame as the ones who started this particular fire.
It's easy to say that the Middle East has always been unstable--but meddling in Iraq and Iran seems to be a US pastime. Look to US support of the capricious and unpopular Shah of Iran, and Saddam Hussein for a direct link to failed action during the Bush years.
 
#10,595 ·
As I said earlier, Iraq had become somewhat stable. A partisan decision to pull put most uS troops created a horrible power vacuum that caused Iraq to implode and create a breeding ground for ISIS. It may not have been palatable for Obama to keep troops there for somewhat longer, but it would have been prudent. That restarted the fire. Forcing regime change in Libya, Syria and Egypt was the gasoline on that fire.

Likewise, Obama's economic plans involved inflating endlessly inflating currency though quantitative easing and other methods. He replaced the housing bubble with a stock market bubble. More gas on fire.

Obama started his administration with a $9-trillion cumulative deficit and bitterly complained about it. It's now $20 trillion and wouFF88 so little effect on economic growth, but he managed that too.
As I also said go back and look at who started the fire and who are you going to blame if the fire keeps burning. The person started the fire or those who are left to try and put it out.

F**k man Obama did not do that that, those were movements in those countries unto them selves. Cripes I guess next you will be blaming the weather on Obama.

My grandmother actually did that when Diefenbaker was in power, if the weather was bad it was his fault.
 
#10,596 ·
Yup. It just works so much better if we accept each other's differing views and leave it at that sometimes. I was reading an article about how it's actually pretty much impossible for right wingers to convince left wingers and vice versa. Political preferences actually become hard wired into our brains or something.
I believe that you're correct in this. We all live in a world that emanates from our own heads and that's fine as long as it doesn't stop us from eating, finding shelter and procreating. It's only when we try force other people to live in our world that we run into trouble. This is why I despise powerful central governments--they force us to live inside other people's constructs, then demand we also fund those constructs. This leads to major conflict.
 
#10,597 ·
It's easy to say that the Middle East has always been unstable--but meddling in Iraq and Iran seems to be a US pastime. Look to US support of the capricious and unpopular Shah of Iran, and Saddam Hussein for a direct link to failed action during the Bush years.
No doubt. When it comes to the Middle East the US has been unsuccessfully meddling for decades. So it's the same as it ever was except that the latest "crisis" was caused by the action of the Bushs' administration and not Obama's.
 
#10,598 ·
As I also said go back and look at who started the fire and who are you going to blame if the fire keeps burning. The person started the fire or those who are left to try and put it out.

F**k man Obama did not do that that, those were movements in those countries unto them selves. Cripes I guess next you will be blaming the weather on Obama.

My grandmother actually did that when Diefenbaker was in power, if the weather was bad it was his fault.
Obama specifically called for the ouster of the leaders of each of those countries, and promised to back the rebels who would take them down

I certainly never saw Obama attempt to put out Middle East fires--he fanned the flames. He's the latest meddler in a long line of US meddlers.
 
#10,599 ·
I believe that you're correct in this. We all live in a world that emanates from our own heads and that's fine as long as it doesn't stop us from eating, finding shelter and procreating. It's only when we try force other people to live in our world that we run into trouble. This is why I despise powerful central governments--they force us to live inside other people's constructs, then demand we also fund those constructs. This leads to major conflict.
I agree. But it is a very unfortunate reality that we all have to try to do our best to live with.
 
#10,600 ·
Obama specifically called for the ouster of the leaders of each of those countries, and promised to back the rebels who would take them down

I certainly never saw Obama attempt to put out Middle East fires--he fanned the flames. He's the latest meddler in a long line of US meddlers.
The protests were already happening, he was commenting on freedom of speech and action and being an advocate for democracy. What else would you have him do! Just shut up be quite?
 
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