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Something I've noted several times is that, while most of us agree it's important to be informed about Canadian politics and to be an engaged citizen, the fact is that Canadian politics are generally pretty boring (this can be a good thing, IMO). The Americans, on the other hand, have turned the dysfunction of their political system into an entertainment industry (although it appears Harper, et al., are determined to reduce the Canadian system to the same level).

So I thought I'd start a thread for discussion of the Reality TV show they call American Politics.

I'll start with this posting I saw on another forum, with respect to the Republican's policies on women's health care, especially with regard to contraception and abortion:
After years and years and years of specifically targeting homophobes, racists, bigots, religious zealots, anti-intellectuals and sociopaths why should we be at all shocked that the GOP picked up a ****load of misogynists along the way?
 
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I wonder if he has a copy of the short or long form. Say, since Tampa hasn't had a hurricane in around 100 years and as it is the Republican Convention, would this be classed as an act of G_d?
 
#784 ·
Depression Repuglican version.....

..."let them eat cake" ......:rolleyes:
Be careful, MacDoc. Macfury may still come up with a better plan to help Americans during the Great Depression that will make you, me and FDR eat our words and not cake. We shall see.

Paix, mon ami.
 
#785 ·
I wonder if he has a copy of the short or long form. Say, since Tampa hasn't had a hurricane in around 100 years and as it is the Republican Convention, would this be classed as an act of G_d?
Tampa gets brushed with a hurricane every two years, and hit hard every 9 years. No, I think that God will spare Tampa and the Republican Convention from this storm. Still, it would make a great photo op with an approaching hurricane and Mitt Romney, at God's command, takes Paul Ryan to the Tampa/Clearwater Causeway in order to sacrifice him as Hurricane Issac approaches. Suddenly, an angel appears and Romney is directed to sacrifice a nearby Democrat instead. With this act, he wins the presidency for life.

Romney does not need a birth certificate since he WAS born in the USA. Of course, George Romney, Mitt's father, was born to American parents living in the Mormon colonies in Mexico. Still, that is far better than what Pres. Obama has to offer the American people as proof that he is an American.
 
#786 ·
I wonder if he has a copy of the short or long form. Say, since Tampa hasn't had a hurricane in around 100 years and as it is the Republican Convention, would this be classed as an act of G_d?
In a statement responding to Romney's comments, Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt mentioned real estate magnate Donald Trump and others who have pursued the birth certificate issue.

"Throughout this campaign, Governor Romney has embraced the most strident voices in his party instead of standing up to them," LaBolt said, adding that Romney's "decision to directly enlist himself in the 'birther' movement should give pause to any rational voter across America."
 
#787 ·
Macfury, I am curious. Suppose Hoover fell ill in 1932, and Charles Curtis, his VP running mate did not want to run for office. At the Republican convention you are drafted as their nominee and go on to a smashing victory at the convention. In the general election, you run against FDR, and when the votes are counted, he wins only Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont, and you win all of the other 45 states. You control both houses of Congress with a very supportive Congress who want to help you in any way end the Great Depression.

Since you feel that FDR extended the Great Depression for many years, what would you have done were you president and in control of both houses of Congress to end the Depression??????
Both Hoover and FDR were meddling staists who felt that they could "manage" the economy and promote economic growth through government largesse. Neither had any relevant solutions to the fiscal crisis of the 1930s because they were responsible for it.

So the questions of what I would have done? Some essentials:

1. Although it had already wreaked havoc with the stock market, immediate repeal of the Smoot-Hawley tariff.
2. Immediate end to agricultural supply management, which raised prices for hard-hit consumers.
3. Allow wages to fall to the levels of new economic reality which would have increased employment for all, instead of sustaining a 20% unemployment rate for a decade at unrealistic fixed wages.
4. Immediate repeal of the National Industrial Recovery Act, which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution
 
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kps, as I see it the Republicans were stuck in the snow, then the Democrats got into the car and decided they were just going to rev the engines until the ruts got too deep to get back out. Now it IS time to let a driver get back into the driver's seat.
 
#790 ·
Both Hoover and FDR were meddling staists who felt that they could "manage" the economy and promote economic growth through government largesse. Neither had any relevant solutions to the fiscal crisis of the 1930s because they were responsible for it.

So the questions of what I would have done? Some essentials:

1. Although it had already wreaked havoc with the stock market, immediate repeal of the Smoot-Hawley tariff.
2. Immediate end to agricultural supply management, which raised prices for hard-hit consumers.
3. Allow wages to fall to the levels of new economic reality which would have increased employment for all, instead of sustaining a 20% unemployment rate for a decade at unrealistic fixed wages.
4. Immediate repeal of the National Industrial Recovery Act, which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution
OK, fair enough. Your Congress has repealed these acts ................ but now what of the real human suffering that is going on throughout the US?

Now, with Smoot-Hawley gone, American exports and imports, which were reduced by more than half, may now flow again ................. except there is not the money to buy these goods and millions are out of work who once produced these goods.

Now, no more agricultural supplements .............. so more farmers go under and there are less food to go around ................ which raises prices to everyone (unless you shall also suspend the reality of "supply and demand").

You can't repeal the National Industrial Recovery Act, since it was FDR that brought in this act to help establish a national public works program (thus, no NRA or WPA, which helped millions upon millions of people).

Wages now fall to record lows, with riots to get the few jobs that now exist at less than subsistance levels. The union movement is crushed, but millions of unemployed workers who refuse to work for "slave wages" begin to organize in a mass movement (remember what Hoover faced with the "Bonus March" of 1931. What you shall face makes this look like a bunch of boy scouts.)

So, you have riots and starvation in your first hundred days. At least FDR DID something during these 100 days. You have done less than Hoover (at least he had Hoovervilles named after him as a sign of the shacks that sprung up in public parks to house the homeless).

Bottom line, you have proposed nothing of substance. The situation is getting worse and you are wondering what do to.

Mock FDR and his "accomplishments" if you want, but there are still people alive today who will tell you that they are alive because of FDR's programs.

You are merely the 32nd president .................. and I strongly doubt you shall be re-elected three more times.

Sorry, mon ami, FDR was FAR better for the people of the US than you if this is all you propose.

Paix, mon ami.
 
#791 ·
Well someone sure needs to take the wheel, but I'm not sure if Romney/Ryan is the right ticket. We'll just have to wait and see who gets to sit in the coveted driver's seat.
 
#792 ·
What a comedian...good stand up. LOL

I guess he's partly right.

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Excellent analogy!!!!!!!!! I like his analogy better than the one of Bush driving the car into the tree and then tossing the keys to the car to Pres. Obama and saying "She's all yours now" as the car bursts into flames.

Paix, mon ami.
 
#793 ·
Well someone sure needs to take the wheel, but I'm not sure if Romney/Ryan is the right ticket. We'll just have to wait and see who gets to sit in the coveted driver's seat.
WE shall be in the back seat like Mr. Bill of SNL fame ................. who goes over the cliff. :eek:XX)
 
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Macfury, you are not alone in having no answer to what you would do to have ended the Great Depression. Mitt Romney was asked the same question as I asked you and all he said was "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ..................." Thus, you are in good company. Paix, mon ami.
 
#795 ·
Macfury, you are not alone in having no answer to what you would do to have ended the Great Depression. Mitt Romney was asked the same question as I asked you and all he said was "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ..................." Thus, you are in good company. Paix, mon ami.
No, I have an excellent answer, but I have not yet had time to sit down and refute your points.
 
#797 ·
Tripped over this Gem this AM.

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#799 ·
Made my day.....Isaac 1- Repuglies 0

Republican convention: Storm concerns delay proceedings
Published on Saturday August 25, 2012

Joe Raedle/GETTY IMAGES William Harris cuts a board to size to fit over a window of a building he is securing on Saturday in Tampa, Fla. Area residents are preparing for Tropical Storm Isaac, which could become a hurricane by the time it hits ground.

By Mitch Potter Washington Bureau

TAMPA—Tropical Storm Isaac may not spare Tampa. So Republicans decided late Saturday to spare themselves.

In an 11th-hour decision as the gathering storm drew nearer, Republican National Convention officials made the difficult call to shrink the four-day gathering by a day, cancelling Monday’s proceedings.

Though most, if not all, of the estimated 50,000 visitors are to arrive Sunday, officials said the cancellation of Monday’s events will spare attendees from what could be “severe transportation difficulties due to sustained wind and rain.”
Republican convention: Storm concerns delay proceedings - thestar.com

Could not happen to a more deserving bunch.....I hope the damn thing winds up to a Cat 4 and scatters the ditzes.
 
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