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Old Mar 18th, 2012, 09:12 PM   #21
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How tough was it to get things done when the Democrats controlled the House and Senate?
I agree. The Dems should've ended the tax breaks for the rich, implemented universal health insurance, and rammed through much more of their agenda when they had the chance. But Obama tried to be "centrist" and compromise, not realizing that when you offer a compromise to the Republicans, they just move to a more extreme position, forcing you further to the Right in order to "meet in the middle."

So the Dem's played it badly and wound up squandering their power doing nothing. The Republicans made fools of them. However, the Republicans have also shown that they are not interested in negotiating in good faith, and do not have the interests of the country at heart; they're all about power for themselves and their rich cronies, and they can't hide that anymore.
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Old Mar 18th, 2012, 09:20 PM   #22
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I agree. The Dems should've ended the tax breaks for the rich, implemented universal health insurance, and rammed through much more of their agenda when they had the chance. But Obama tried to be "centrist" and compromise, not realizing that when you offer a compromise to the Republicans, they just move to a more extreme position, forcing you further to the Right in order to "meet in the middle."

So the Dem's played it badly and wound up squandering their power doing nothing. The Republicans made fools of them. However, the Republicans have also shown that they are not interested in negotiating in good faith, and do not have the interests of the country at heart; they're all about power for themselves and their rich cronies, and they can't hide that anymore.
I saw none of this supposed compromise. I remember Obama telling the Republicans "they could sit in back." All I saw was a ditherer unable to push his agenda despite having all his ducks in a row, then blaming the outnumbered Republicans for his failure.
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Old Mar 18th, 2012, 09:20 PM   #23
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I agree. The Dems should've ended the tax breaks for the rich, implemented universal health insurance, and rammed through much more of their agenda when they had the chance. But Obama tried to be "centrist" and compromise, not realizing that when you offer a compromise to the Republicans, they just move to a more extreme position, forcing you further to the Right in order to "meet in the middle."

So the Dem's played it badly and wound up squandering their power doing nothing. The Republicans made fools of them. However, the Republicans have also shown that they are not interested in negotiating in good faith, and do not have the interests of the country at heart; they're all about power for themselves and their rich cronies, and they can't hide that anymore.
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How tough was it to get things done when the Democrats controlled the House and Senate? This is a weak excuse for the Obama administration.
Very tough unless a party has 60 seats in the Senate ............ and the Democrats had 59.
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isn't the election for congress/house 2 years after the presidential election?

Something tells me that of Obama does get in, America will still want a republican congress.
True. In the 2010 congressional elections, the Tea Party gained a few dozen seats in the House. They put fear into the hearts of the other Republicans and put the nation in a stranglehold. This is why that even though I don't support Rep. Ron Paul's views, at least he has been honest and consistent with his views.
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I agree. The Dems should've ended the tax breaks for the rich, implemented universal health insurance, and rammed through much more of their agenda when they had the chance. But Obama tried to be "centrist" and compromise, not realizing that when you offer a compromise to the Republicans, they just move to a more extreme position, forcing you further to the Right in order to "meet in the middle."

So the Dem's played it badly and wound up squandering their power doing nothing. The Republicans made fools of them. However, the Republicans have also shown that they are not interested in negotiating in good faith, and do not have the interests of the country at heart; they're all about power for themselves and their rich cronies, and they can't hide that anymore.
That is exactly what the Democrats under Pres. Obama have done and are still trying to do, bryanc. Sadly, his first two years in office were trying to piece together the problems in the US that were handed to him when he took office. Then, when the Republicans took control of the House of Reps, with the Tea Party's influence on the Republican party, there was gridlock in Congress.
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Very tough unless a party has 60 seats in the Senate ............ and the Democrats had 59.
They simply use reconciliation--and pass bills with 51 votes.
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They simply use reconciliation--and pass bills with 51 votes.
Sadly, not that easy in the US Senate. You may "try" to pass a bill with 51 votes so long as the minority does not keep the vote from coming to the floor for this vote. Without 60 votes to provide closure to a debate, it can go on and on and on and on.
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Sadly, not that easy in the US Senate. You may "try" to pass a bill with 51 votes so long as the minority does not keep the vote from coming to the floor for this vote. Without 60 votes to provide closure to a debate, it can go on and on and on and on.
Happily not that easy! I can't imagine how much more damage the Democrats would have done to the country given absolute free reign.
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Happily not that easy! I can't imagine how much more damage the Democrats would have done to the country given absolute free reign.
Think back to the progressive legislation that is still benefiting millions upon millions of people that were passed during FDR's New Deal and LBJ first term in 1964-66 (until the Vietnam War derailed the Great Society) if you want to see what "free reign" under a Democratic Congress and Presidency might bring about. You might not like these policies, but there are millions of people who would tell you otherwise.
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