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Old May 9th, 2012, 04:37 PM   #271
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I hoped Obama would do something like this. It will help to ensure his defeat in the fall.
We shall see. Taking difficult positions is the mark of a good president. Think of this as his doing what Harry Truman did when he desegregated the US military.

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Old May 9th, 2012, 04:50 PM   #272
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We shall see. Taking difficult positions is the mark of a good president. Think of this as his doing what Harry Truman did when he desegregated the US military.

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I don't believe the federal government should be involved in this issue at all, and it represents an abuse of federal power over state's rights. It is the mark of an over-reaching president to even comment on this issue. I hold both Bush II and Obama accountable for this, for mis-using their bully pulpit to speak on either side of the issue.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 04:58 PM   #273
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I don't believe the federal government should be involved in this issue at all, and it represents an abuse of federal power over state's rights. It is the mark of an over-reaching president to even comment on this issue. I hold both Bush II and Obama accountable for this, for mis-using their bully pulpit to speak on either side of the issue.
Interesting. Still, this sounds just like Orval Faubus, Gov. of Arkansas in 1957, Ross Barnett, Gov. of Mississippi, in 1962 and George Wallace, Gov. of Alabama, in 1963.

In his inaugural speech, Wallace used the line for which he is best known: “In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever."

There are times when a president needs to "over-reach" to protect individuals and groups of people.
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I don't agree, Dr. G. Marriage itself should be no concern of the federal government, whereas equality under the law springs directly from the U.S. Constitution. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 merely formalized what was already in the Constitution, emboldened by the Supreme Court in Brown vs. Board of Education.

To have the president weighing in on picayune matters like the definition of marriage demeans the office.
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I don't agree, Dr. G. Marriage itself should be no concern of the federal government, whereas equality under the law springs directly from the U.S. Constitution. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 merely formalized what was already in the Constitution, emboldened by the Supreme Court in Brown vs. Board of Education.

To have the president weighing in on picayune matters like the definition of marriage demeans the office.
Personally, while I support this position by Pres. Obama, I too wish that the federal government did not have to get involved in this matter. Still, when certain rights are being denied to a person, or a couple, or a group of people, there is a responsibility of the federal government to protect these people.

"The Civil Rights Act of 1964 merely formalized what was already in the Constitution, emboldened by the Supreme Court in Brown vs. Board of Education." True, but is went on to be specific beyond education, and lead to some of the greatest social legislation since the New Deal.

I wonder how FDR or LBJ would handle this situation if they were president today. I think that both would be more effective than Pres. Obama in getting this idea enacted into law. Still, I give Pres. Obama credit for doing the right thing, albeit a difficult thing. It may, as you say, cost him the election. We shall see.

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Just got this from Pres. Obama's campaign committee.

Stand with the President — Barack Obama
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We shall agree to disagree. The federal government need not be involved at all.
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We shall agree to disagree. The federal government need not be involved at all.
Good idea. This way, there is no need to get into a protracted "back and forth" debate. We have made our points well, and have agreed to disagree .......... and have done so in a civil manner. Paix, mon ami.
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An interesting item, Sonal. I think that Romney has backed himself into a corner on this issue, and if he trys to take a more moderate stand, supporters like Rick Santorum will try to force him back into a more hard-line stance. We shall see.

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