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Old May 8th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #261
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MacDoc, while I dislike Macfury's constant bashing of Pres. Obama, regardless of the thread, I don't think that he meant this in any way other than to say he would "sing the praises" of any Republican candidate who defeated Pres. Obama in Nov. at the polls.
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Stop.

Tone has been really good around here lately. Please, this is not needed.
True. Discussions about American politics are far more refined than the rough and tumble world of discussing Canadian politics.

Paix, mon ami. We shall behave ourselves.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 09:38 PM   #262
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Romney vs. Obama polls are all over the place, although conventional wisdom suggests that Obama should be doing better against Romney at this point as a sitting president.
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Old May 8th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #263
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Romney vs. Obama polls are all over the place, although conventional wisdom suggests that Obama should be doing better against Romney at this point as a sitting president.
True. This is why I think that the election shall go down to the wire ............ with Pres. Obama being reelected. Hopefully, the dog-owners of America will help make this a possibility. We shall see.

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Obama endorses same-sex marriage - The Washington Post

This will be interesting....
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This will be interesting....
True. The proverbial "battle lines" are going to be drawn even deeper now that Rick Santorum has backed Mitt Romney.

Personally, I think that Pres. Obama is making the right decision in this endorsement. We shall see the effect of this move comes November.

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I agree he made the right move, and it's certainly the stance I'm in favour of.

Politically, though, it will be very interesting. You're right about the battle lines being drawn.
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I agree he made the right move, and it's certainly the stance I'm in favour of.

Politically, though, it will be very interesting. You're right about the battle lines being drawn.
Still, those who oppose this position would not, in all honesty, be voting for Pres. Obama. I don't see this as a move on his part just to get the GLBT votes, but rather, to demonstrate that he is the president of ALL the people in the US, and that US laws, rights and responsibilities, should be extended to all US citizens.

I actually don't see Mitt Romney making a big deal on this move, especially in the debates, in that it will not gain him any support amongst the independent voters. We shall see.
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I think this works more as an appeal to the moderate Republicans, who are not happy with Obama but are also against the socially conservative Republican right a la the likes of Palin, Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, etc.

It may also galvanize those who like Obama into ensuring that they actually get out and vote.
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I think this works more as an appeal to the moderate Republicans, who are not happy with Obama but are also against the socially conservative Republican right a la the likes of Palin, Santorum, Bachmann, Perry, etc.

It may also galvanize those who like Obama into ensuring that they actually get out and vote.
Very good speculation, Sonal.

I was just listening to the chair of the Republican National Committee comment on this issue. He said that the Republican nominee for president and the Rep. Party would be taking a stand against this policy, and that they would be in support of a Constitutional amendment banning all gay and lesbian marriages; that they would again support the Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of states not to recognize same-sex marriages licensed in other states; that they would deny marriage benefits to any couple other than a man/woman marriage; and they would change the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy to deny any gay or lesbian person from serving his/her country in any branch of the military service.

Interesting, but by taking this stance, Pres. Obama is again undertaking the notion of "tikkun olam", which is a Hebrew phrase that means "repairing the world" to help the poor, the hungry, and any person in need of protection.

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I hoped Obama would do something like this. It will help to ensure his defeat in the fall.
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