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The American Political Thread

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Something I've noted several times is that, while most of us agree it's important to be informed about Canadian politics and to be an engaged citizen, the fact is that Canadian politics are generally pretty boring (this can be a good thing, IMO). The Americans, on the other hand, have turned the dysfunction of their political system into an entertainment industry (although it appears Harper, et al., are determined to reduce the Canadian system to the same level).

So I thought I'd start a thread for discussion of the Reality TV show they call American Politics.

I'll start with this posting I saw on another forum, with respect to the Republican's policies on women's health care, especially with regard to contraception and abortion:
After years and years and years of specifically targeting homophobes, racists, bigots, religious zealots, anti-intellectuals and sociopaths why should we be at all shocked that the GOP picked up a ****load of misogynists along the way?
 
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Don't worry, Dr. G! I believe Romney will score a decisive victory!
Believe you made a similar prediction about McCain.:D Too lazy to look just now.

Either way it does not matter for the nations path is not determined by the puppets but rather the puppets master and these puppets dance to the same master.
 
#502 ·
Between the Jim Crow tactics, vote rigging, and the almost bottomless pit of money the Republicans have to spend on this campaign, it's certainly not going to be an easy win for Obama. That being said, I don't think many Americans are stoked about Romney either, so I'll be surprised if it's decisive either way.
A valid point, bryanc. While I would like to see a decisive win for Pres. Obama, I don't see it in the cards. Still, anything can happen between now and election day. Should Mitt Romney reveal his past 10+ years of tax returns and it showed that he gave most of his money to food banks, homeless shelters, shelters for abused women, programs that help children with literacy in school, and in all parts of the US and not just Utah, he has the election in his back pocket. He could come before the American people and say that he had nothing to hide, but he did not want to put the spotlight upon himself and his humanitarian spirit. Some hard-core Tea Party and Libertarian Party supporters would shun him for supporting programs for people who are in dire need, but he would sweep independents, Republicans, Democrats ............... heck, I might even vote for him if I found that on Tuedays he went to a local homeless shelter and read to children and on Thursdays he went to senior citizen centers and read to them as well. We shall see.
 
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Between the Jim Crow tactics, vote rigging, and the almost bottomless pit of money the Republicans have to spend on this campaign, it's certainly not going to be an easy win for Obama. That being said, I don't think many Americans are stoked about Romney either, so I'll be surprised if it's decisive either way.
Vote rigging? Please.

The American people are not so much stoked about Romney as they are throwing Obama out of office.

Believe you made a similar prediction about McCain.:D Too lazy to look just now.
Nope. I found McCain a tepid candidate. A sad sack of a man. I don't believe I had ever witnessed a candidate who appeared to have less desire to win the presidency.

A valid point, bryanc. While I would like to see a decisive win for Pres. Obama, I don't see it in the cards. Still, anything can happen between now and election day. Should Mitt Romney reveal his past 10+ years of tax returns and it showed that he gave most of his money to food banks, homeless shelters, shelters for abused women, programs that help children with literacy in school, and in all parts of the US and not just Utah, he has the election in his back pocket.
I don't understand why he should need to prove he had given his money away.

IIRC, MF didn't like McCain either - still too far left :yikes:
Exactly. To be more accurate--a statist. A believer in big government.
 
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I don't understand why he should need to prove he had given his money away.
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He does not need to prove it, but he should reveal his tax records. This would clear up any doubts people have about him. It would be nice to think that he is generous with his money to basic areas of need, but his tax returns show his main contributions are to his church and to his foundation, which is linked to his church. We shall see.

Paix, mon ami.
 
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byranc, dead people have been voting at least since JFK won the 1960 presidential election. Blaming this on Republicans alone is ludicrous. Between both parties it likely cancels itself out.
 
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He does not need to prove it, but he should reveal his tax records. This would clear up any doubts people have about him. It would be nice to think that he is generous with his money to basic areas of need, but his tax returns show his main contributions are to his church and to his foundation, which is linked to his church. We shall see.

Paix, mon ami.
I would want a president to be a good leader and beneficial to the economy. Charitable giving wouldn't even be a voting consideration for me.
 
#510 ·
I would want a president to be a good leader and beneficial to the economy. Charitable giving wouldn't even be a voting consideration for me.
OK. What if he is hiding his fortune in the Cayman Island numbered accounts he currently holds? Would this be a deal breaker for you???
 
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No. Why would it? Is it illegal to hold money in the Cayman Islands or a Swiss bank account?
It is for American citizens who refuse to report this income and to pay tax on it -- that's the law.
 
#514 ·
So what you're saying is that after the first round of the purge, the legitimacy of the voter registry was significantly improved, since ineligible voters outnumbered eligible ones four to one?
 
#517 ·
I find the paternalistic attitude of the left rather astonishing. Those Jim Crow cartoons make the assumption that Democrat voters would be incapable of meeting simple voter ID requirements in significantly large numbers.
 
#518 ·
I find the paternalistic attitude of the left rather astonishing. Those Jim Crow cartoons make the assumption that Democrat voters would be incapable of meeting simple voter ID requirements in significantly large numbers.
There's nothing paternalistic about it. These are the facts. There are many people who currently don't have ID that meet the new voter requirements in the US, and these people are disproportionately Democratic voters. What's particularly vile about this GOP campaign is that it is not only an effort to prevent people from voting, it's being done in such a way that most people won't know it affects them until they try to vote and are turned away because their ID is no longer valid.
 
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There's nothing paternalistic about it. These are the facts. There are many people who currently don't have ID that meet the new voter requirements in the US, and these people are disproportionately Democratic voters.
Why the perception that Democrat voters would not have ID while Republican voters would? Is there something inherent about being a Democrat that makes one incapable of following directions, or acquiring an ID card?
 
#520 ·
Why the perception that Democrat voters would not have ID while Republican voters would? Is there something inherent about being a Democrat that makes one incapable of following directions, or acquiring an ID card?
The jurisdictions in which these GOP-led initiatives are focused are noted for having a lot of Democratic voters in poor demographics; hence the asymmetry.

I'll grant you that it's a desperation tactic that could backfire on them.
 
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