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Old Mar 18th, 2012, 06:39 PM   #11
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well, perhaps. Except hopefully we will have less of the religious fanatics running around screaming that babys born from rape are blessings, and the country being run by d-bags who made their fortunes gutting and putting people out of work. Just to point out a few.
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Old Mar 18th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #12
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Hatred of Obama will unite the non-Dems behind whomever the Republicans choose.

Third party candidate? How long has it been since a third-party candidate elected anyone to Congress? Would be nice to see more Green Party candidates eat into Obama's support regardless.
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I completely agree. But to be fair, the story continues with Obama not only paying the bill for repairing the wrecked car, but also buying the Garage and paying for all the mechanics to go on holiday.
I had trouble with the bailouts of the banks, but I understood the reasoning behind it in terms of the "too big to fail" domino effect it might have brought about upon the world. I do resent VERY MUCH those responsible for this financial crisis walking away with huge bonuses.

The bailout of the auto industry made a bit more sense.

All in all, I feel that things would be worse in the US had McCain won the election in 2008. Still, it is going to be a close election this time around if Romney is the Republican nominee.

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Old Mar 18th, 2012, 08:18 PM   #14
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I had trouble with the bailouts of the banks, but I understood the reasoning behind it in terms of the "too big to fail" domino effect it might have brought about upon the world. I do resent VERY MUCH those responsible for this financial crisis walking away with huge bonuses.

The bailout of the auto industry made a bit more sense.

All in all, I feel that things would be worse in the US had McCain won the election in 2008. Still, it is going to be a close election this time around if Romney is the Republican nominee.

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Agreed G, it's astounding how truly naive people can be to think that simply turnin off the taps would solve things after the republicans drive the economy deep in the ditch. Much less that it could be solved, in one term. But, Obama and his dems have a few things to answer for, first for extending the greedy rich tax cuts.
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Agreed G, it's astounding how truly naive people can be to think that simply turnin off the taps would solve things after the republicans drive the economy deep in the ditch. Much less that it could be solved, in one term. But, Obama and his dems have a few things to answer for, first for extending the greedy rich tax cuts.
Sadly, the seeds were laid for the leveraged derivative instruments for things like mortgages long before Pres. Obama was elected. These deregulations go back to the Reagan years, and even during Clinton's administration with the "Contract for America" which was brought about by the Republican-controlled Congress. It was extended during Bush's administration ................ and bore fruit just as he left office. Both Obama and McCain were called to the White House to be informed of the severity of the crisis, and then when Bush turned over $700 billion to the banking industry, there was little in terms of accounting as to what the money was to be used for in the final analysis.

Luckily, the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act has helped put some stops to these sorts of give aways and non-accountable funds being sent to Wall Street. Still, it has not gone far enough, in my opinion.
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Lord knows what she would have to say/do to Pres. Bush who really sent the US down this path. I still like David Frum's analogy of Pres. Bush driving the car into a wall and quickly getting out of the burning wreck and throwing the keys to Pres.-elect Obama.
I have always disliked David Frum, who has been a closet liberal for a decade. As much as I disliked George Bush, I would have rather held my nose and seen him in charge during the last four years, than the human trainwreck who followed.
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Sadly, the seeds were laid for the leveraged derivative instruments for things like mortgages long before Pres. Obama was elected. These deregulations go back to the Reagan years, and even during Clinton's administration with the "Contract for America" which was brought about by the Republican-controlled Congress. It was extended during Bush's administration ................ and bore fruit just as he left office. Both Obama and McCain were called to the White House to be informed of the severity of the crisis, and then when Bush turned over $700 billion to the banking industry, there was little in terms of accounting as to what the money was to be used for in the final analysis.

Luckily, the 2010 Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act has helped put some stops to these sorts of give aways and non-accountable funds being sent to Wall Street. Still, it has not gone far enough, in my opinion.
The continued pandering to corporate america (a broad brush I know) has to end. I had hopes that the dems would really put a stop to the gorging, but they merely showed they can be a part of it too.

But a move to put the republicans in full power at this point, will truly destroy anything that's left in America.
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The continued pandering to corporate america (a broad brush I know) has to end. I had hopes that the dems would really put a stop to the gorging, but they merely showed they can be a part of it too.

But a move to put the republicans in full power at this point, will truly destroy anything that's left in America.
Easier said than done, gt. With the Tea Party holding the Republican Party hostage, and with the Republicans holding power in the House of Rep., it is tough to get things done in Congress. This is where it will be interesting to see what sort of Congress is elected in Nov. along with who shall be elected president. We shall see.
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Easier said than done, gt. With the Tea Party holding the Republican Party hostage, and with the Republicans holding power in the House of Rep., it is tough to get things done in Congress. This is where it will be interesting to see what sort of Congress is elected in Nov. along with who shall be elected president. We shall see.
How tough was it to get things done when the Democrats controlled the House and Senate? This is a weak excuse for the Obama administration.
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Old Mar 18th, 2012, 09:10 PM   #20
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Easier said than done, gt. With the Tea Party holding the Republican Party hostage, and with the Republicans holding power in the House of Rep., it is tough to get things done in Congress. This is where it will be interesting to see what sort of Congress is elected in Nov. along with who shall be elected president. We shall see.
isn't the election for congress/house 2 years after the presidential election?

Something tells me that of Obama does get in, America will still want a republican congress.
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