Cry me a river.... I got the reference it was irrelevant.
exactly. cry me a river.
If you're gonna slam others with your posts pulling this you lack credibility blah blah, you're gonna get it back.
As far as the reference, we were talking about what Harper could cut, and since there was a bit of a scuffle over cutting food inspection (listeria?) I wouldn't talk too loudly about credibility calling that irrelevant there, 'dude with the tude'.
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Originally Posted by groovetube
exactly. cry me a river.
If you're gonna slam others with your posts pulling this you lack credibility blah blah, you're gonna get it back.
As far as the reference, we were talking about what Harper could cut, and since there was a bit of a scuffle over cutting food inspection (listeria?) I wouldn't talk too loudly about credibility calling that irrelevant there, 'dude with the tude'.
Ahhh let's see who started this trend...
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and in chimes macfury, who by nature will twist everything anyone says either because he's just that way, or, doesn't seem to grasp what is actually being said.
YOU reap what you sow dude... you reap what you sow. My god you have short term memory deficit... you sure it isn't early onset zimers? You may want to have that checked out.
YOU reap what you sow dude... you reap what you sow. My god you have short term memory deficit... you sure it isn't early onset zimers? You may want to have that checked out.
oh look at you go! yapping about other's credibility, saying I have, "zimers" and stuff.
Seems you can get right in the muck all by your widdle selfie can you.
HEY!! You guys wanna take this to direct PMs and outta this thread? Sheesh!
I'm outta here for the night anyway. He can whine to someone else about decorum while questioning -their credibility- and wondering if they have "zimers".
I'm a firm believer that Canada should have a strong military, not to go tearassing around foreign jungles and deserts, but to protect and defend our sovereignty and patrol our coastlines for both defence and for SAR functions.
For that we need ships, planes and helicopters...all of which we seem to lack at the moment.
Any NATO commitments should be met, but certainly scrutinized against our capability and policy interests.
Anyway....my 2’...carry on.
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We also need - in the very, very near future - Arctic disaster cleanup technology. As the polar caps melt, and Arctic powers alter their policies on oil exploration / extraction, our northern military bases should be equipped for that eventuality.
Our military has been starved for a very long time. There is going to be spending on equipment and because we have let it go so long it is going to be expensive. That being said, we should quit playing political games and get on with it. I believe that is what the current government is going to do, and quite properly so.
Comparing us to the U.S. is ridiculous. Their military spending is running at more than the total of the rest of the world. I would believe that this is cause for some private alarm in various world capitals. Even more so is the fact that their economy needs some cut backs but military is so entrenched in it there are regional fears throughout the country that "Things will be bad if they cut in my back yard.". So those needed cuts may not happen.
Canada historically has spent very little in terms of GDP on military in peace time. If my understanding is correct we maintain a very highly trained officer corps and a small armed forces. During conflict we ramp up to spending as much as 90% of GDP if my memory does not fail me. Hence ration coupons etc. during World War II. At the end of World War II we had a very large navy and the largest merchant marine in the world. I think we were also one of the largest airplane manufacturers.
The very large worry that I do have is that times have changed and our ability to re-arm in response to a threat is in jeopardy. Things happen much quicker now and on a global scale. Also, armaments are much more complicated now and have a far higher lead time requirement. There is a certain amount that we should have on hand and I believe that the amount of arms and quality of arms required is higher now than previously due to these factors.
Our peace keeping functions have been touted as one of our defining characteristics. Historically, that is not what we are about. It was a brilliant move on the part of Lester Pearson, allowing us to put off arming and sparing us from what we have always been since before confederation - Shock Troops. Prior to Vimy Ridge we were parceled out amongst our larger allies. From then on we have been under our own command. That is the prime importance of Vimy Ridge. Even in Afghanistan today, our replacements will outnumber the contingent leaving by 10 to 1. Apparently we are very efficient.
Talking about us being imperialistic is also ridiculous. Aside from religion, the greatest causes of war are trade restrictions. Control a territory either through debt, colonization or straight intimidation so that it's resources flow to the intimidator's borders is what it is all about. We have not followed that path. We are a trading nation. Both the Mulroney government and now the Harper government, are committed to free trade throughout the world. One of Harper's big things during the various meetings after the recession was trying to insure that nations did not close their borders to trade - the U. S. being notorious in that regard, especially under Democrat governments.
As for the article on military bases, we are a mobile force. Logistics is everything. In most wars more people are killed through bad logistics than through gun fire. We are very good at logistics. With the size of our country, we get a lot or practice moving things around. I would be greatly disappointed if base discussions were not happening on an on going basis. We lost one staging base. That can happen at any time and we have to be prepared for it.
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